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| So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Okay, I was just being snarky with that headline, but let's face it...they will have a very hard time trying to sell those $600 regular priced tickets now that the cat is out of the bag. I hope it runs a long time for everyone involved, but I can't imagine Hugh will stay a minute passed his contract date now that he received fairly lukewarm reviews. But that isn't what I'm thinking...Company or Funny Girl for Best Revival? I saw this Funny Girl in London (with Harvey's rewrites). Did anyone else see it, who also saw Company? For me, out of the three, even with its flaw, Company is by far the best revival of the season. But wait for it...can Beetlejuice be nominated for Best Revival? And wouldn't it be sweet, sweet revenge if it beat out Music Man, who took their theater? | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 03:16 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Hugh & Sutton. That's all that matters. Mr Jones and his family from Idaho dont read reviews. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:44 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - NewtonUK 03:16 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
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| Do they spend $700 on tickets? | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:47 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Singapore/Fling 06:44 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
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| You've asked the pertinent question. The architecture of this show's finances is such that selling those tickets is the sine qua non of success. Half or more of that huge advance has basically been burned through and not burning through the other half depends on sustaining the premium plus market. This is the Rudin model, with or without Rudin. Dolly was a marginal success, and did not have ANY of the impedimenta that TMM has to contend with. For all of his successes in our precincts, his track record with these old Broadway musicals is not impressive at all. It is likely true that a sizable proportion of the hoped-for audience doesn't read reviews, but they sure do listen to word of mouth. Whether they will pay top dollar to see Hugh anyway is, it seems to me, an open question. (Clearly, no one is paying it for Sutton.) My guess is that the investors will get their money back and a little more but again will feel cheated at the end of the day. We shall see. | |
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| Investor $$$... | |
| Posted by: lastcall 02:58 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - ryhog 07:47 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
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| i do not believe that the investors will get their total investment back. with the excessive amount spent for pre-opening print and broadcast media, and with the $600. premium tickets not being sold after those reviews, i can see this production losing money. without jackman, this show will close pronto. |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: readers12572 02:14 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| So Once Jackman hayloft why not recast Craig Bierko in the role? maybe some pf that frantic dancing needs to be revised. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 02:34 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:29 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - readers12572 02:14 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
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| He's not really a big star, but he has done quite a few films, and he actually has a terrific voice, more than needed for Harold Hill -- but I think James Marsden would be excellent. He's played some scoundrels as well as good guys in his films. He was terrific in the movie "Hairspray" as Corny Collins, and I would have liked to have seen him do more in the way of musicals. Or Jeremy Northam, so wonderful in "Gosford Park" as Ivor Novello, who did a very creditable job as American Dean Martin in a tv movie some years ago as well as capable of playing villainous characters. | |
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| Replacements | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 09:41 am EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - PlayWiz 02:29 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
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| James Marsden is a great idea, and my geeky brain responds with more suggestions. Because after you have a Harold Hill played by Hugh Jackman (Wolverine) and Marsden (Cyclops), you can add Alan Cumming (Nightcrawler) and Kelsey Grammer (the Beast). And let’s not forget that Sir Ian McKellen (Magneto) has said he wants to do a musical… Somewhere, my pal Len Wein, noted Broadway buff and X-Men creator, must be smiling. Laura, who’s only kidding here, folks, so don’t start having fits |
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| re: Replacements | |
| Posted by: Roman 09:14 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Replacements - showtunetrivia 09:41 am EST 02/13/22 | |
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| I need Maggie Smith as Marian when Ian takes over. Or Judi Dench, anyway. Or Patrick Stewart. Maggie would make a Hell of a Eulalie. I mean, the deliver of “I’ll tell” | |
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| Last Edit: Unhookthestars 10:54 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 10:53 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Replacements - Roman 09:14 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
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| Ian McKellen + Judi Dench = A Little Night Music Man | |
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| re: Jackman's understudy/standby? | |
| Posted by: lastcall 03:07 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: Replacements - showtunetrivia 09:41 am EST 02/13/22 | |
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| TMM will close up very quickly after jackman leaves. but just curious, who is hugh's understudy/standby? thanks in advance. |
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| re: Jackman's understudy/standby? | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 03:50 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Jackman's understudy/standby? - lastcall 03:07 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
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| Max Clayton is the Harold Hill standby. He didn't get a chance to go on when Jackman was sick because he also had Covid then. Sean Montgomery is the understudy. |
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| re: Jackman's understudy/standby? | |
| Posted by: mikem 05:03 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Jackman's understudy/standby? - sirpupnyc 03:50 pm EST 02/13/22 | |
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| According to imdb, Clayton is 30 years old and is not appearing in the show unless he is playing Harold Hill, as would typically be true for a standby. I am sure Clayton is a wonderful performer, but he seems like an odd choice age-wise given the ages of Jackman and Foster. | |
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| please let it go to CAROLINE OR CHANGE | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 09:15 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:59 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| It's sad that you left out a major revival, a Broadway transfer from a major West End revival, of a very major work of musical theater (and theater in general) by two of the most celebrated theater writers alive. And so relevant to what's going on culturally in our country. But even assuming you didn't see it, it's very sad to me that you think Company is the best revival of the 3 you mentioned. Company is a deeply misdirected mess. But also, let's be clear... you didn't see this Funny Girl. Unlike Company, we have no idea if this Funny Girl is going to be basically the exact same production transferred with a mostly different cast. This production of Funny Girl is directed by the same person, with the same person's script revision (we also don't know if Harvey is done making changes), but the London production opened nearly *7* years ago... Mayer is directing it anew with a different cast, different theater, on Broadway, possibly a different budget, with a much bigger spotlight on it. It's possible it's be almost the exact same staging and design, but we don't know yet (I can't be bothered to check if it's the exact same design team from the London production but even if it is they could be rethinking aspects). So I think it's a bit premature to decide your opinion of this Funny Girl. FWIW, sadly I think Company will win unless Funny Girl gets raves, then I do think it'll be that. All that being said, I can't remember a year with a more competitive revival category, where not only are there 4 nominees but each would be the one to beat in any other season (just in terms of the musical and the buzz of the production -- I was not a fan of Company and I wouldn't be surprised to be disappointed in this MM or even this FG, but I can't deny what a big deal each other these revivals are)... even with luke warm or bad reviews for any or all of them, they're all still big deals. Other very big competition years with *4* pretty equal contenders: 1994 (the first time the award was given): Carousel, Damn Yankees, She Loves Me, Grease 1996: King & I, Forum, Hello Dolly, Company 2003 (maybe): Nine, Gypsy, La Boheme, Man of La Mancha 2004: Assassins, Fiddler, Big River, Wonderful Town |
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| re: please let it go to CAROLINE OR CHANGE | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 09:31 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: please let it go to CAROLINE OR CHANGE - Chazwaza 08:59 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Funny Girl will have a completely different design team. This has been mentioned here more than once in previous discussions of the upcoming production. It will also have different choreographers, which I think has perhaps not been noted here previously. I think we can expect that something more elaborate is being planned for the August Wilson than was seen in London and the later tour. |
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| re: please let it go to CAROLINE OR CHANGE | |
| Posted by: hanon 05:54 am EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: please let it go to CAROLINE OR CHANGE - AlanScott 09:31 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Caroline Or Change was miraculous, for my money a nearly perfect revival. I would love to see it win a Tony. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Roman 08:14 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| There were several seats available for this evening’s performance about 30 minutes before curtain that were $250 (they were $700 earlier in the day). Some singles, but a number of pairs. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 08:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:49 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Roman 08:14 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Preface: Nobody knows anything. Educated guess: Music Man will remain a respectable hit, but not Hello, Dolly! Tickets will be available. The model may be more, say, second year To Kill a Mockingbird. Discounts will be assiduously avoided to serve the brand, but prices may creep down. Even so, the reviews we're parsing may be irrelevant a month from now. Or by summer. They have pull quotes, and money will be spent. Oh, much money will be spent telling us how good it is. In closing: Nobody knows anything. |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:55 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Delvino 08:49 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| The reviews have good pull quotes, but nothing that suggests the show is worth what they’re charging. That’s going to be the rub for them, at least in terms of selling new tickets. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:10 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Singapore/Fling 08:55 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| I'll be curious to see how the prices are adjusted. Someone with more knowledge of dynamic pricing and brand maintenance -- and this production is all about a specific brand of Broadway entertainment -- can explain (zero knowledge here). If you set up a show as an event, and charge event prices -- Hamilton, Dolly, Six -- how do you segue back toward normal Broadway trade? I keep reading about all of the rush sales, that so many people show up and get orchestra seats for basically TDF prices. Does this show already have a lot of unsold seats? | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:29 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Delvino 09:10 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| How close to TDF prices are you hearing? | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:48 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Isn't a.m. rush at the Winter Garden $49? That's what I read at BWW. 50-100 every day. That's a lot of rush. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Last Edit: FinalPerformance 03:09 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| Posted by: FinalPerformance 03:06 pm EST 02/12/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Delvino 09:48 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| 50-100 means those that hope to get a rush ticket. That is not the amount given out. People can get what's being offered. Some times only 12 tickets are available to rush. If the first 6 people are able to get 2 seats each then only six on the line will get rush. No guarantee a rush line will get you in even arriving at 5 a.m. for the 10:00 a.m. box office opening. | |
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| CAroline or change is the fourth revival | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:00 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| I didn’t pay attention to the reviews. | |
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| re: CAroline or change is the fourth revival | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:49 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: CAroline or change is the fourth revival - dramedy 08:00 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| They were ecstatic, with the general consensus that the show was rightfully being rediscovered as a contemporary masterpiece. I’d give them the edge to win. | |
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| re: CAroline or change is the fourth revival | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 09:02 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:00 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: CAroline or change is the fourth revival - Singapore/Fling 08:49 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| I sure hope you're right. In most ways it was a wonderful production of an extraordinary and unique musical that doesn't get nearly enough acclaim or exposure. I wish Roundabout had run it longer, but I truly hope the production, cast, and glowing reviews (unlike any of the other revivals... Funny Girl's broadway version still to be seen) are remembered at Tony time. And unlike Company, Music Man, and Funny Girl... Caroline or Change has never had its due, in awards or run originally in 2004, or in the musical theater canon. It'll never be as popular to see or produce as any of those 3, but it deserves some official recognition from the mainstream powers that be, especially with such a strong revival production. |
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| I doubt Beetlejuice would be considered a revival | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:56 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: So now that Music Man failed... - theaterisok 07:50 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| I think there is a three rule for the original to close and revival to open. And MM had an $50m advance. I kind of doubt they plan to extend beyond jackman’s contract anyway. Look at hello dolly as an example of closing instead of putting more stars and letting the show struggle at the boxoffice. Peters probably kept the lights on but didn’t make much profit. |
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| re: I doubt Beetlejuice would be considered a revival | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:51 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: I doubt Beetlejuice would be considered a revival - dramedy 07:56 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| Based on what’s been reported, Middler didn’t make much profit. | |
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| re: So now that Music Man failed... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:55 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| We're not even halfway through February. | |
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| So? | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:59 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: re: So now that Music Man failed... - Chromolume 07:55 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| I doubt another revival musical will magically materialize in the next month to open in time. | |
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| re: So? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:30 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
| In reply to: So? - dramedy 07:59 pm EST 02/11/22 | |
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| No. But one revival doesn't start previews for about 6 weeks. And despite the OP's opinions, no one has seen it yet with the new cast. | |
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