| I *firmly* believe for a movie musical, the song writers must be included in the Best Screenplay nomination | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:51 am EST 03/13/22 | |
| In reply to: How lucky can you get at the Oscars? For Kander & Ebb, not very - WaymanWong 01:16 am EST 03/12/22 | |
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| As well as being eligible for Best Song nominations for isolated songs written for the movie. The music and lyrics of the songs IN A MUSICAL are very much part of the screenplay, in all ways. The fact that the writers of the score of a musical are rendered irrelevant to the Oscars and Golden Globes (and any major award that recognizes writing) outside of a song being nominated, and then that's only possible if the authors of the score write a NEW song FOR the movie adaptation, or even worse if other writers get that assignment, and then only if a new song written for the movie adaptation is selected for nomination. The very idea that you'd need to write a NEW song to be nominated when a movie musical (adapted from a stage musical) is an adaptation. The songs from the stage show were never before eligible for Oscars... but now, because it wasn't written FOR the movie, it isn't eligible? Of course it was written for the movie. They were all written FOR the musical, which is what it is a movie OF! But all that aside, the music and lyrics in a musical are a massively key part of the text and fabric of the text. But the writers of the score are completely unrecognized for their work, work that is the only reason anyone else is doing the piece, let alone nominated for their work on the piece... To say that the lyrics and music of Into the Woods are not the screenplay, and the only writer responsible for the screenplay they shot is Lapine and only because he adapted the book he happened to write (not because he wrote the book)... is insane! And then you have something like Les Mis or Evita where 99% of the words heard in the movie are LYRICS ... and the person who wrote the lyrics, or the music the lyrics are set to and that move and dictate the tone and emotion of literally every moment... they aren't the writers of that movie, only the person hired to help the director set those songs/musical scenes in a cinematic way. Absurd. * I also believe that a movie that adapted a play MUST nominate the writer of the play being adapted as well as the screenwriter who adapted it for the screen. The award is not for best ability to adapt, it is for the best screenplay that is adapted from another work. If that work IS a script already, with dialogue and scenes and a structure of a script that is also 90-180 minutes long... the writer of that script must be acknowledged because their writing makes up a significant portion of what the screenplay is -- whether it's Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf whether Albee's writing is about 87% of the screenplay Ernest Lehman got an Oscar nom for adapting, or Cabaret, which is largely rewritten in terms of the actual scenes and dialogue and many of the main characters -- but it is still based on and building from and utilizing what Joe Masteroff wrote. Imagine being Edward Albee, seeing the movie that is almost entirely his play script, and having another writer credited and acknowledged and awarded for his "writing". It's such a bizarre thing. I know Albee wasn't involved in the work of figuring out how and what the play would be as a movie, though there really wasn't much of that, and in many cases that's going to be largely on the director to figure out and decide (otherwise why are they hired to direct it?)... but still... this is why it should be co-credited. And yes it says based on a play by Edward Albee, but only Lehman is eligible for film awards for the words in the film. I'm happy for it to still be a "screenplay by" the person hired to adapt the play, whatever that may or may not entail, but I think the awards should go to both, unless perhaps they can prove the movie script is 75% or more fully original to the screenplay. |
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