| re: for the record, The Life had a lot of fans and major awards recognition ... | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 02:37 am EDT 03/16/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:22 am EDT 03/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: for the record, The Life had a lot of fans and major awards recognition ... - KingSpeed 12:37 am EDT 03/16/22 | |
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| I think your opinion is basically wrong. You have decided it's defined as "shoe-horning", it is not automatically that. You have decided it's pop songs and ones not written for the theater... but if they are written for the theater just not for the show they're being put in, that's different and fine. And if they are pop songs from an era when different kinds of songs were popular, that's fine. So now we've had no one commenting on the relatively long run, the notable number of Tony noms, the beating out of other shows for those noms, and the wins from other awards... but we've explained why Jelly's Last Jam isn't a normal "jukebox", and how Crazy For You is better than or not the same as other "jukebox musicals" ... ok, those won. They are both top tier examples of musicals without original scores written for their shows that competed against and won against other original musicals. Jelly's being even more notable an exception because of the new lyrics etc. Nonetheless... the 9 other examples of nominated "jukebox" musicals from before 1997, and the 2 in question that could have been nominated in 1997, remain. Do you think the creators of Play On or Dream intended for their shows not to be taken seriously as "Best Musical" material the way the 9 other (of the 11) less brilliant "jukebox" musicals who got nominated for Best Musical were? Do you think they just "shoe horned pop songs" into a random plot? Do you also not think Crazy For You is just re-using of very basic and familiar plots/scenes with songs taken mostly from shows written at a time when musicals weren't so complicated or book-dependent, but done well? Whatever you think, the fact remains The Life was chosen over those 2 1997 musicals in question (among at least one other major musical that year with an original score and a lot of fans). You guys can pick all you want on these little things. The point is that The Life wasn't nominated for Musical, let alone Score or Book or Direction, because there was nothing else to nominate, original musical or musical *with songs not written for the show they're now in* so they had to nominate this show they all thought was a flaming pile of trash. Flaws and all, it was nominated largely because people thought it was worthwhile, and presumably amounted to more good than bad. It won things because people thought it was good, and presumably better than other things. My point was that 2 other musicals eligible for the big award and other nominations that they didn't get but The Life did, like Play On and Dream, weren't automatically dismissed as candidates for Best Musical because they were what I've called "jukebox" (meaning a musical with a score made up of songs not written for the show they're now in)... they obviously seemed to think The Life was a better musical or made up of more good than bad than was Play On or Dream or Jekyll & Hyde... since they've been fine nominating similar shows in the past. |
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