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| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:10 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - Phaedrusnyc 01:35 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Agreed. I believe it is specifically brought up by Nickie or Helene (I can never keep those characters straight) that, while some of the girls do sex work in addition to the dancing, Charity does not. | |
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| re: This could well be the death of Encores. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:16 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - JereNYC 02:10 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| So even within the show, some of the characters are specifically sex workers. They only sanitized Charity’s storyline to be not-quite-a-hooker with a heart of gold. If we broaden the category a bit, we could also look at all of Coleman’s showbiz musicals to be about the way that artists sell themselves in different ways:.. didn’t Coleman also write Minsky’s? |
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| Minsky's: | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 02:39 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - Singapore/Fling 02:16 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Charles Strouse, not Coleman. | |
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| re: This could well be the death of Encores. | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 02:27 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - Singapore/Fling 02:16 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Absolutely, but those other girls are never identified, the subject is never brought up again, we never see it depicted, and the show really isn't about that aspect. I think this was included to appease more timid 1960's Broadway audiences (some of whom might have known the source film) who might not have been able to get on board with a heroine who was a prostitute. The show very much depends on the audience rooting for Charity throughout. |
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| re: This could well be the death of Encores. | |
| Posted by: Phaedrusnyc 03:02 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - JereNYC 02:27 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Yeah, the whole conversation seems silly to me on a factual level. Taking one show about prostitutes and one with a prostitute and arguing that they are evidence that Cy Coleman had some particular, tawdry obsession with prostitution is more than a little unfair. We're talking about 16% of his body of work that grows when you start adding in, "Well, so and so is for all intents and purposes a prostitute" or "this other show about New York in the 70s acknowledges the existence of prostitution." By that logic, we could ask, "Why is Jerry Herman obsessed with drag queens?" Sure, he only did the one drag queen musical, but at least three of the characters he is most associated with are, "for all intents and purposes," drag queens. |
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| Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:25 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: This could well be the death of Encores. - Phaedrusnyc 03:02 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| But what a fabulous connection to make. Jerry Herman's musicals really are queer cannon because they are drag musicals. and we should be embracing them as such. Bianca Del Rio as Mame. With Jinx Monsoon as Vera. And Symone somewhere. I would buy a ticket to that. |
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| re: Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame | |
| Posted by: Jason 04:55 am EDT 03/21/22 | |
| In reply to: Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame - Singapore/Fling 01:25 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Alexandra Billings must play Mame. With Coco Peru as Vera and Audra McDonald as Gooch. Take care, Jason |
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| re: Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:19 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame - Singapore/Fling 01:25 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I dunno... having recently seen Bianca/Roy in Everybody's Talking About Jamie... I'm not sure I'd recommend anyone see him act in a real musical again. I will say when in drag he was much more natural and charismatic (in drag playing a drag queen in drag), but out of drag (as a drag queen out of drag), not so good. But also, I think you have it all wrong. Jinx is the Mame (the eccentric rich kook who eats everything at the buffet of life!), no question. Bianca is the Vera (the funny, dry, rude actress)... I mean, come on! |
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| Ooh that's good casting | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 03:24 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:21 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Jerry Herman Wrote Drag Musicals; Bianca del Rio should play Mame - Chazwaza 02:19 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I should have written Jinx as Googe (right?), but your ideas better. And it's 100% Roy playing Bianca playing Vera. Is there a part for Laganja? I don't really know the show that well. |
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| re: Ooh that's good casting | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:20 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Ooh that's good casting - Singapore/Fling 03:21 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| maybe an Upton? | |
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| re: Ooh that's good casting | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:05 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Ooh that's good casting - Chazwaza 04:20 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| With Vanjie as Mr Upton | |
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