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| re: Patti LuPone shares her 'View' on theater etiquette, 'Evita' and more | |
| Posted by: Phaedrusnyc 04:25 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Patti LuPone shares her 'View' on theater etiquette, 'Evita' and more - WaymanWong 04:05 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Here's to that lady, LuPone. Everybody flinch. Stalking theater Grinches with eyes on their phone-- Giving not one inch. Off to "The View," Before a mat'nee, Claiming she's blissed. But still, it's true That your rose bouquet Has left her pissed. Does anyone dare make her pissed? You're on her list! |
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| That was brilliant! | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 05:30 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Patti LuPone shares her 'View' on theater etiquette, 'Evita' and more - Phaedrusnyc 04:25 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| My mind was running towards “We Won’t Throw Roses” but Jerry Herman doesn’t resonate as well with Patti! Laura |
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| re: That was brilliant! | |
| Posted by: Phaedrusnyc 05:32 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: That was brilliant! - showtunetrivia 05:30 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Thank you, you're very kind. I could probably do the whole song but I don't think anyone here wants to see that. ;) | |
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| re: That was brilliant! | |
| Posted by: kdbhwd 09:13 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That was brilliant! - Phaedrusnyc 05:32 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| I don't like her. That clip of her doing THE song is awful. How many flat notes can you yell in one number. Jeez. I'd throw flowers at her head too! I'm just saying. | |
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| re: That was brilliant! | |
| Posted by: Roman 12:27 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That was brilliant! - kdbhwd 09:13 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| One of the greatest songs in the American Musical Theatre, performed by a braying donkey, entirely without nuance or even an understanding of what she’s “singing” about. | |
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| Say what you mean, dear | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 10:06 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That was brilliant! - kdbhwd 09:13 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| I laughed. But Patti fanatics will not. | |
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| "The Problem Was I Could Hear Every Word. | |
| Posted by: kdbhwd 09:37 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Say what you mean, dear - shocktheatre 10:06 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| My dislike of La Lupone began long back when I saw her in EVITA. Nobody I knew liked the show and all said they couldn't understand it. I remember being bored, looking at my bf's watch, checking the rafters to see if some piece of scenery hadn't dropped down. The audio was fine and maybe "The Problem Was I Could Hear Every Word." Who could miss Ms Lupone screaming over the top of it all? One of my least favorite nights at the theatre. | |
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| re: "The Problem Was I Could Hear Every Word. | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 06:22 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 06:20 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: "The Problem Was I Could Hear Every Word. - kdbhwd 09:37 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| just to weigh in... Personally I do not dislike Patti as a performer (in many cases I absolutely love her)... I do dislike her memory and willingness to rewrite history a bit, and to throw the "male version" of Company under the bus not only unnecessarily but with an opinion I truly disagree with. Felt the need to say that as, i think, the poster responsible for this little section, and I wasn't inviting hatred of her performances (though that's certainly valid if your opinion... but just isn't usually mine -- I did not see her in Evita live on stage though, I wasn't alive -- but based on her recording she is indeed my Eva, in some ways because of her "screaming"). |
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| Hal Prince's Evita | |
| Posted by: peter3053 02:00 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Say what you mean, dear - shocktheatre 10:06 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| The simple fact is, Evita's place in theatrical history is a result of Prince's vision of the as a condemnation of political propaganda. As he pointed out at the time, it was about the way propagandists can make you cheer at something which, if one cogitates for a few moments, is actually diabolical. The whole show onstage had that point of view: we will stun you, exhilarate you - but wait a moment and you will be shocked when you reflect. It was a piece of dramatic theater about political theater - and the metaphor was captured in the blend of political actor Peron with performer Eva. In "I'd be Surprisingly Good for You", a tango couple danced upstage as Peron and she signed autographs like celebrities during the dance break music. Peron played musical chairs onstage while the movie screen showed tanks and military oppression. The same movie screen that had begun the show with a movie, with Eva playing a role. It was show about a show. Over time, the point seems to have been lost. |
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| Last Edit: kdbhwd 09:34 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: kdbhwd 09:29 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Hal Prince's Evita - peter3053 02:00 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| re: Hal Prince's Evita | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:38 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Hal Prince's Evita - peter3053 02:00 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| And for some reason unknown to me, ALW seems to be very happy for the point to have been lost, as he approves countless major productions, including the Grandage revival that has been seen around the world, and the movie version, that treat it like a musical biopic of Eva. It's such a shame Oliver Stone never made his version of the movie -- which he was signed on for and had a screenplay for -- because that would likely have influenced the way Evita is done on stage afterward rather than the way the film we got does. Not that the film shies away entirely from political takes and criticism... i mean the text is still there, Che and the chorus criticizing her and mocking the people is still there, and even the excellent addition of Antonio doing "The Lady's Got Potential" with footage of military action throughout helps... but it ultimately still plays like a straight up biopic musical about a strong woman in history. |
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| re: The film version is not the only source that 'arguably' puts Eva Peron in a flattering light.... | |
| Last Edit: bway1430 09:52 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| Posted by: bway1430 09:51 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Hal Prince's Evita - Chazwaza 02:38 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I did massive research ages ago when doing the show and while many sources mention her revenge tactics towards past enemies once she rose to power and her less-than-kind treatment of those who refused support of her foundation, no source I could find made mention of her hiding Nazis. There was one book which mentioned these allegations but said they were likely false due to Eva's religious convictions. However, we know Nazis fled there at some point after World War II and she was First Lady of Argentina from late 1945 to 1952 so we can all do the math. From books, to A&E Biography specials, Eva gets seen through the prism of a powerful woman/rags-to-riches/Cinderella tale while the musical actually does a far better job of painting her in a less flattering light. What a shame that they didn't keep Tim Rice's lyric from the conclusion of the original London production when Che turned away from a dying Eva to the audience and sang: The choice is yours and no one else's You can cry for a body in despair Hang your head because she is no longer there To shine, to dazzle, or betray Or else, or else you could be grateful Once the flash and the fantasy are cold That her star did not allow her to grow old But I, I can't tell you what to say.... I think the controversy surrounding her celebrity was what attracted Tim Rice to the project in the first place. |
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| re: Hal Prince's Evita | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 02:48 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Hal Prince's Evita - Chazwaza 02:38 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Robert Stigwood approved the film. And ALW and Tim Rice SHARE the rights and approval on this property, so Rice is also eager to approve new versions of his work. God forbid authors are happy that their work is being mounted. And I saw the Grandage production and found it fabulous, despite it taking another view from Prince. Prince's is the best... but not the only... way to see the work. |
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| re: Hal Prince's Evita | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 08:45 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:40 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Hal Prince's Evita - GavinLogan1 02:48 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Sorry but ALW is the last writer who needs to worry about his work being produced or not, especially one of his most popular and acclaimed works. Most musicals also do not have the biggest pop star in the entire world fighting to star in a movie of your musical let alone a musical which by that point wasn't even in his top 2 biggest earners! (what can compete though with Cats and Phantom?!) And obviously it goes without saying we have very very different views and opinions on what makes this show work, and on the Grandage revival. (I also wouldn't say it took "another view", i'd say it removed the idea of taking a view at all) And like I said in the thread, I don't think Prince's specific staging is the only way to see or do the show, but I do think the intention of his his *direction*, his concept for staging it and his reasons and intentions for staging it as he specifically did should be considered part of the writing of Evita, and so productions that aren't his should be tasked with coming up with their own versions of that foundational "direction" that made it a layered and compelling and functioning theater piece rather than a concept album. Your new concept for the concept should be better than "let's just literally set it in the literal locations each scene seems to take place in, and have lot of choreography!" |
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