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| Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 10:18 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| And please, no "revisions". | |
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| re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: seeseveryshow 10:31 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - shocktheatre 10:18 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| I enjoyed the original, but I think it is too small a show for Encores treatment. Two leads and six guys on roller skates. Maybe for the summer Encores if that is reinstated. | |
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| re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 09:22 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - shocktheatre 10:18 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| year after year. Viertel didnt like it. | |
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| Wasn't he against The Golden Apple too? | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 12:18 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - NewtonUK 09:22 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I was surprised when they finally did it! | |
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| re: Wasn't he against The Golden Apple too? | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 12:38 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 12:37 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Wasn't he against The Golden Apple too? - andPeggy 12:18 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| An ATC poster stated that a few years before Encores finally staged it, although who knows if that was an accurate statement. I do recall Viertel insisting many years ago that Encores would do The Golden Apple eventually, and so he did keep his word. I was told privately by a young staffer in 2011 that because The Golden Apple's score was sung through, more resources were needed before the show could be done or something to that effect. |
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| re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:11 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:03 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - NewtonUK 09:22 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Years ago, at one of the season's end parties at Encores, I brought up the prospect of "Redhead" to Jack Viertel, with Karen Ziemba standing right there at hand; I asked the very charming Karen if she could pull off being a redhead, and she said that she was presently a redhead in the run of "Chicago". So I said to Viertel "So there you go! She'd be perfect!" But Viertel was noncommittal. I think Ziemba would have been great -- but there are really not that many people who could have pulled off that role over the years. Sandy Duncan would have when she was younger. It was Fosse's first outing as both director and choreographer, so he filled ii with dance. It's considered Verdon's probably most dance intensive starring show. Plus singing her songs, and a fun acting role going from repressed girl to one who starts to cut loose from that when she gets a love interest. I also mentioned "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" another time before it had been done, but to star Bette Midler in the Shirley Booth role. Viertel thought she would be great, too, but he said or gave me the impression that she'd be too demanding or want too much money or was in some other way unfeasible to do an Encores show. So he had a lot power there in his personal taste, and you'd hear some other folks pitching shows here and there to him. But at least he presented the musical scores of shows pretty much as they had been done originally. |
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| re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 12:26 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - PlayWiz 11:03 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I know you have mentioned Greenwillow in the past, which is another show whose score I love. Are you familiar with the 1957 Broadway musical Simply Heavenly or the 1963 off-Broadway musical The Streets of New York with the score by Richard B. Chodosh and Barry Alan Grael? | |
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| re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 12:52 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:48 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - BroadwayTonyJ 12:26 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I've listened to "Simply Heavenly" on the internet, as it was mentioned by Ken Mandelbaum in "Not Since Carrie" as being among excellent scores in a flop show. Some very good songs indeed. That book is excellent in pointing out some of those relatively undiscovered great scores. I believe some folks have mentioned "The Streets of New York", but I've never heard it. I would love to see "Goldilocks" especially with a full orchestra playing those Leroy Anderson (lyrics Walter and Jean Kerr and Nancy Ford) songs with their great orchestrations. I saw a Musicals Tonight small-scale production some years ago (a newspaper article said that even Elaine Stritch went to a performance!), and it was enjoyable even on a small-scale. "The Happiest Girl in the World" has an OCR that has a full fabulous orchestra (maybe bigger in the studio than in the theatre), but hearing those Offenbach tunes with the E.Y. Harburg lyrics with a big orchestra would be thrilling. |
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| If you want some idea of the charms of GOLDILOCKS in actual performance, here are excerpts of a university | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:57 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 01:49 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - PlayWiz 12:48 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| performance of it at University of Sheffield in England about 10 years ago. I don't know if it's an American touring troupe or if they are British students, because their American accents sound pretty darn good. It's a small orchestra, but the strength of the score is very evident. You, of course, don't have to, but I watched the whole thing since I love the score. The girl in red doing the Elaine Stritch part is actually very good in her own way. At the end, the audience appears to love it, too. (You may have to go back to start of clip.) | |
| Link | GOLDILOCKS by University of Sheffield |
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| re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:00 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The rejected multi Tony Winner REDHEAD for years - NewtonUK 09:22 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Very enjoyable score. I assume the libretto has been too problematic for Encores to deal with, at least up to now. | |
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| re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: AnObserver 08:03 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - shocktheatre 10:18 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| Terrible show. | |
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| FOND RINK MEMORIES | |
| Last Edit: shocktheatre 04:47 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 04:44 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - AnObserver 08:03 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| Have to disagree. Saw this show three times: twice w/Liza and Chita, once w/Stockard and Chita (don't ask). Loved the score, the guys, the set, and of course the stars. Stockard was game but she couldn't sing it. It was far more deserving of a Best Musical nomination than "The Tap Dance Kid." |
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| Link | LIZA CHITA "THE RINK" |
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| re: FOND RINK MEMORIES | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:58 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: FOND RINK MEMORIES - shocktheatre 04:44 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| The Rink has been staged a couple times locally in the Chicago area in the last 15 years. It's a strong show with a good score. There actually was chatter on this board about 20 years ago that Encores should do it with Liza and Idina Menzel. | |
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| re: FOND RINK MEMORIES | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 12:07 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: FOND RINK MEMORIES - BroadwayTonyJ 04:58 pm EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I'm sorry that never happened. I'd have attended it several times. | |
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| re: FOND RINK MEMORIES | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 09:07 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: FOND RINK MEMORIES - shocktheatre 12:07 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
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| That casting would have sold out the City Center venue, and they would have offered standing room (as they did with Follies in 2007). I assumed that you would have wanted to see every single Encore performance if Liza had been cast as Anna. |
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| re: FOND RINK MEMORIES | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 12:04 pm EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: FOND RINK MEMORIES - BroadwayTonyJ 09:07 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
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| You axsume correctly, and that's an understatement. | |
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| re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: IvyLeagueDropout 05:13 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - shocktheatre 10:18 pm EDT 03/17/22 | |
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| I remember, after Gypsy closed, there was talk of a LuPone-Benanti production of The Rink. I vaguely think it was either mentioned for Roundabout or London. Wish that had occurred. They're both too long in the tooth for the show now, but I think they could make it pass at Encores!. This is exactly the kind of show Encores! should do. Not that they have much of a purpose any more. | |
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| re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: NightMusic77 11:28 am EDT 03/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - IvyLeagueDropout 05:13 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| I do remember rumors of a revival of The Rink starring LuPone, only it was Leslie Kritzer and not Benanti who was rumored to be LuPone's costar. Was allegedly going to open in London under John Doyle's direction. | |
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| re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? | |
| Posted by: lonlad 08:09 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Has Encores ever considered THE RINK? - IvyLeagueDropout 05:13 am EDT 03/18/22 | |
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| They would knock it out of the park. It's got a thrilling score, no matter how cheesy the material. Yes please !!! | |
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