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| New world stages | |
| Posted by: dramedy 03:11 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: Bedwetter's future - stan 02:46 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| That complex seems to do the best for small musicals. I don’t know if rent is low from landlords or having shared space for 5 theaters helps keep the cost down and risk lower. Little shubert (stage 42) which seems to be run by NWS, seems to fail for almost every show. But that could be because it is offered to bad shows as a last resort. I think that Yiddish fiddler is about the only successful show in the last decade. |
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| Link | https://newworldstages.com/theatrical/ |
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| re: New world stages | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 03:42 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: New world stages - dramedy 03:11 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| They're both owned by the Shubert Organization. Stage 42 has been theirs all along. They bought NWS in 2014. |
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| That makes sense | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:37 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: New world stages - sirpupnyc 03:42 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| I doubt shuberts would sell any theater. Running NWS losses (if any) can be covered elsewhere in shubert empire. | |
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| Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 05:55 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: That makes sense - dramedy 04:37 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| Stage 42 has 499 seats but it’s very expensive to operate. They have a Local One (stagehand) contract, which no other off-Broadway theatre has. This makes load-in and running cots very high. | |
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| re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 10:28 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:24 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) - TheHarveyBoy 05:55 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| Maybe there's an obvious answer, but why don't the Shuberts find a way to add a few seats, so it's bumped up to a 500-seat Broadway house? Wouldn't that make it more attractive? Instead, it's 499 seats, And I suspect producers would prefer the prestige of a small Broadway theater. |
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| It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 11:10 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) - WaymanWong 10:24 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| I think hirschfeld is the farthest at two blocks. Even Beaumont is less than a block. But I think they could even add a small mezz taking out the last row or two and increase seating to well over 500. |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: ms721 12:38 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: It’s a little far from broadway. - dramedy 11:10 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| The Hirschfeld is technically the furthest west of the "Times Square" Houses, being the only one west of 8th Ave. But it's right off 8th Ave, and is fairly close to subway stops and equidistant as other theaters to Port Authority and since the move to new boarding at Penn Station, may actually be closer to Penn then some of the theaters between 7th and 8th. The Beaumont and Newhouse are closer to "Broadway" (the street). At one time, it was expected the theaters would continue to move uptown from Times Square (one of the reasons the Coliseum was built at Columbus Circle), but they never did, so the 41st street to 53rd street theatre district with Broadway as its main north/south iconic road is the one most of us have known most of our lives. |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:23 am EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: It’s a little far from broadway. - dramedy 11:10 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| I was thinking that the Little Shubert is closer to Times Square, where nearly all the Broadway theaters are, than the Vivian Beaumont. | |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:28 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s a little far from broadway. - WaymanWong 01:23 am EDT 06/20/22 | |
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| The Beaumont is a special case and can't be used as an example. But notwithstanding all of the theorizing in this thread, the bottom line (and something that has been discussed here many times) is that the Shuberts are cool with the present number of Broadway houses and have no desire to alter the mix. | |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: ms721 12:22 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s a little far from broadway. - WaymanWong 01:23 am EDT 06/20/22 | |
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| but the Beaumont is much closer to a subway stop than the Little Shubert, which i think is actually the more important issue. | |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: ilw 12:58 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s a little far from broadway. - ms721 12:22 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
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| Stage 42 (aka the Little Shubert) is close to the subway station at 10th Avenue/41st Street that was supposed to have been built as part of the extension of the #7 train to Hudson Yards, but was eliminated from the extension project to save money. The subway extension that was actually built allows for future construction of the station, but it's not in any official plans and is unlikely to be built in the near future. It's too bad that the station doesn't exist, as it would be very useful not only for the off-Broadway theaters in far west Midtown, but also for the large residential community near the station. | |
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| re: It’s a little far from broadway. | |
| Posted by: ms721 01:02 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s a little far from broadway. - ilw 12:58 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
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| agreed. the MTA really missed an opportunity with the #7 extension. | |
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| The missing 7 train station. | |
| Posted by: stan 07:37 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s a little far from broadway. - ms721 01:02 pm EDT 06/20/22 | |
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| It would have made the Signature Theater an easy evening venue for Seniors (and others) -- I have to wait for the East Bound M42 to Second Ave, then the downtown buses. A cold tiresome trip in Feb at 10:30 pm. Even the Wed mat would be easy with that Stop. I was so excited when it was proposed and, as with most of politics, disappointed. I have found a pleasant route when you have the time ---- get to the highline -- walk North to Hudson Square -- dine, shop, loiter. Then walk to Lincoln Center, the Signature, etc. Or take the 7 to Times Square and the 1 (or another) to Lincoln Center, Winter Garden, etc. | |
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| re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 11:07 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) - WaymanWong 10:24 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| My guess is that one, it's not actually that simple, and two, if the Shuberts wanted that they'd have done it by now. Maybe Kinky Boots can make a run there, but it doesn't have a track record of attracting shows likely to do so. Remote location*, higher expenses than comparable venues (even though the list of 499-seat theatres is a short one). *Yes, not nearly so remote-feeling now as when the theatre opened in 2002. The first towers between 10th and 11th were still newly sprouted then. |
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| re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) | |
| Posted by: roleplay 07:56 am EDT 06/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Stage 42 (ne’ Little Shubert) - sirpupnyc 11:07 pm EDT 06/19/22 | |
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| I remember someone "in the know" once told me that the house contracts for the Little Shubert were so prohibitive that virtually nothing could make a run for it there. | |
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