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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Last Edit: Unhookthestars 08:14 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 08:13 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - keikekaze 08:01 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
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| The preceding lines are “Must it all be either less or more, either plain or grand? Is it always ‘or’? Is it never ‘and’?” followed by “That’s what woulds are for: For those moments in the woods.” Since “would” can be used to express a possibility or wish (a highly unlikely or impossible one), I take the line to mean that it’s only in the woods where an “and” is possible and only for a fleeting moment. |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:44 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Unhookthestars 08:13 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
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| Even more - she sings "There are vows, there are ties, there are needs, there are standards, there are shouldn'ts and shoulds." If there can be shouldn'ts and shoulds, there can of course be woulds. (And wouldn'ts.) |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 12:55 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 11:44 pm EDT 07/27/22 | |
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| I get "shouldn'ts" and "shoulds," as words, though I'd never use them. Those are the things someone tells us we should or shouldn't do. I still don't get "woulds." What are woulds? | |
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| coulda, woulda, shoulda | |
| Posted by: garyd 12:10 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - keikekaze 12:55 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| that's all. Apparently Celine Dion and her lyricist agree. | |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:25 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - keikekaze 12:55 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| There are things you should or should not do (shoulds or shouldn'ts), just as the BW defines in the lyric. So by the same token, there could be things you would or wouldn't do (woulds or wouldn'ts). Just as there would be things that you could or couldn't do (coulds or couldn'ts) or did or didn't do (dids or didn'ts). The same pattern applies to all sets of words. There's no special case for "shouldn'ts and shoulds," except that that's the only one Sondheim actually put in the lyric. It's all a play on words anyway. |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 04:15 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 01:25 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| Sondheim told him that he particularly liked the double meaning in the lyrics. Rob was like “…what?” (from the Playbill article linked by Unhookthestars, elsewhere in this thread) Rob [McClure] was like "...what?," and so, I think, would be just about anybody. All I'm saying is that if Sondheim really hoped/wanted/expected some large percentage of the audience to "subconsciously" hear in his lyric an alternative homonym for "woods" so far out of any ordinary usage as to be virtually nonexistent, and whose meaning no one seems quite able to nail down, and all this while processing the actual lyric as actually written (which already gives an audience more than enough to think about), well, he was kidding himself. Or perhaps he was kidding Rob McClure a bit. ; ) |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: DavidTurner 01:11 pm EDT 07/31/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - keikekaze 04:15 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| How do you know you didn’t hear it — subconsciously? | |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 07:48 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:48 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - keikekaze 04:15 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| Though he certainly pulled off a triple entendre at least once, in "Everybody Loves Louis." The bread, George. I mean the bread, George. And then in bed, George, I mean he kneads me. I mean like dough, George. Baking/money/sex. And so succinctly and cleverly done. |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 08:12 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 07:48 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| Wow. Sondheim’s brain is really something else. | |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:08 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Unhookthestars 08:12 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| Wow. Sondheim’s brain is really something else. It makes me sad to realize that "give us more to see" is no longer an option. And yet, it still is in a way - because I think there are still plenty of things to find in the richness of everything he wrote. |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 02:43 am EDT 07/30/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 10:08 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| So true! You’re making me feel so sorry-grateful. Sorry that Sondheim is gone but grateful for his legacy. | |
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| How did I miss that??? | |
| Posted by: DistantDrumming 12:39 am EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 07:48 pm EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| I always heard the double entendre of baking and sex, but I somehow missed the money! I guess that tells you where my priorities are... carbs and sex. | |
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| re: How did I miss that??? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:20 am EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: How did I miss that??? - DistantDrumming 12:39 am EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| There are other clues to that in the song as well - "Louis sells what he makes" etc. It's pretty clear that Dot is getting digs in at George because he's not a lucrative artist. "Bread" and "dough" fit right in. :-) | |
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| re: Into the Woulds | |
| Posted by: bmc 06:55 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Into the Woulds - Chromolume 01:25 am EDT 07/28/22 | |
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| the woulds "are lovely, dark and deep" | |
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