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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:02 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: The investors are probably better off closing books - dramedy 08:15 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| Let's slow down a little. Rudin has a license, granted by the estate, aka the right-holder, to produce the show. And it's a big fat license. The investors cannot close the books on the show; that's the prerogative of the producer. When Rudin "stepped back," he never said that he had divested. He transferred the lead producership to a buddy. That buddy publicly stated that he hoped a "rehabilitated" Rudin would return to producing. That seems to be what Rudin is doing. The question is: will people work with him? The parallels to the Drabinsky fiasco are striking. I think there is a good chance that 2 of the 3 main theatre owners may not. I think many creatives may not. I think much talent will not. We shall see. It's a sly thing he did here. He did not announce he was going to produce a show. He announced he was not. And he did it on a hot summer day. It's his strategy to get his foot back in the door. Will it work? We shall see. I hope not. That said, I think he made the right call on reopening this show. It would have lost money. |
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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 10:26 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:23 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - ryhog 10:02 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| The question is: will people work with him? The parallels to the Drabinsky fiasco are striking. I think there is a good chance that 2 of the 3 main theatre owners may not. I think many creatives may not. I think much talent will not. We shall see. In some ways, I tend to think that people are simply a lot less tolerant with offenses than they used to be. There was a time when a lot of folks would still work with people like this because it's show biz, it's good networking, and hey, no one can be good all the time. How long did someone like James Levine get away with things, for instance? His musical talent seemed to excuse everything else. But I remember an interesting exchange with one of my college musical theatre students, just pre-pandemic. She told me she was excited to be seeing some shows in NYC over our spring break (which was the week before things got real serious real fast and the world started closing up). She mentioned Company in particular. I asked if she'd be catching the new West Side Story. And the look she gave me!!! She then explained that no, not as long as Amar Ramasar was in the show, much as she might like to see it otherwise. Meanwhile, Ramasar is now "retired." I doubt really by choice. |
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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - Chromolume 10:23 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| I think what you are pointing out stretches across a wide range of things. People used to tolerate a lot, and hide a lot, and bite their lip a lot. And I think that is changing although it is still surprising when we see people putting up with it (whether it is abuse, bigotry, etc.) | |
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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:07 am EDT 07/30/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - ryhog 11:46 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| I agree. | |
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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Posted by: CCentero 11:27 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - Chromolume 10:23 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| One of my students at the Copacabana School of Dramatic Art didn't have a problem with Ramasar in the show. | |
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| re: The investors are probably better off closing books | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 11:42 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:31 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - CCentero 11:27 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| Well goody. Are you a full professor there, or just adjunct? Or maybe just staff? Grad student? TA? | |
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| I find everything you stated interesting. | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 10:15 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:10 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The investors are probably better off closing books - ryhog 10:02 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| I think you captured what is happening behind the scenes better than i understood it. The only point I disagree with is whether the show has life on broadway. It was still making around $1m a week which is incredible for a play without any really bankable movie star—sorry Harris and kinnear. So I do think it could have returned for another year. And a “tour stop” might get around rudin’s control. But as I said earlier, I expect a national tour will land on broadway for 6 months or more. |
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| re: I find everything you stated interesting. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:09 am EDT 07/30/22 | |
| In reply to: I find everything you stated interesting. - dramedy 10:10 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| How would a tour stop get around Rudin? | |
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| re: I find everything you stated interesting. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:48 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
| In reply to: I find everything you stated interesting. - dramedy 10:10 pm EDT 07/29/22 | |
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| That disagreement is the essence of the game of theatre. It also aligns you with those producers who were apparently ready to move forward until Rudin interfered. | |
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