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| BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Last Edit: DOTD 03:27 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| Posted by: DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Beanie's childhood dream of starring in FUNNY GIRL on Broadway was never refined over the years to include the responsibilities, priorities, work ethic, training, stamina, dedication and inbred talent attached to fulfilling that dream eight times a week for a year. She fed into the fantasies of the next generation of performers that the road to Broadway stardom is easy. Her demands were unprecedented. Who ever heard of a star asking in advance for a four-day leave-of-absence -- for any reason! -- five days after opening night? That the producers agreed was folly and makes me wonder about stars' demands in the future. Please keep in mind that there are endless examples of stars, present and past, who personify professionalism at the highest level. Let's be grateful to them and bid Beanie farewell. |
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| re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 04:09 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:05 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| I don't remember anyone having any major issues with Beanie during Hello, Dolly, where she played an important featured role. Performing that role, along with everything else she's done, also took the responsibilities you mention. (Priorities, work ethic, training, stamina, dedication, inbred talent). Some would say that in fact a featured role like that takes more of all of those attributes, because you're part of an ensemble team that is depending on you to carry your weight and be absolutely consistent with your colleagues, night after night after night. In a role that isn't necessarily getting the big accolades. But you still have to do it, and do it really well every time. I don't think you have any evidence that she "fed into the fantasies of the next generation of performers" etc etc - what does that even mean? Plus, I don't think she ever specifically said that the role itself was a "childhood dream" of hers. One can twist her words to make that so, but that's not quite what she's on record for saying, which is more that the movie and the role had a huge influence on her wanting to be a performer in general. As to the 4-day leave of absence, if that was properly negotiated beforehand, then it was. And as far as I know, it sure was. I don't see what that has to do with her ability (or not) to play the role. That the producers agreed to it was not "folly," it was making a compromise with the actress they wanted in the role. If you "wonder about stars' demands in the future" because of this example, I tend to think you are way way way overthinking the industry. Look. This whole thing was a huge mess, and it's hard to know where the fault really lies, or if it really even lies only with one person. But I'm not about to blame it all on Beanie, and some sort of cooked-up unprofessionalism you have decided to bestow on her (I know of no evidence that she's had issues with this in the past), and I don't think your vitriolic rant is helping anyone's cause. Certainly not your own. |
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| re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:12 pm EDT 08/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) - Chromolume 04:05 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
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| Beanie has said playing Fanny was a "childhood dream" in just about every interview she's done. She had a Funny Girl birthday party when she was 3 years old. Also- playing a starring role definitely requires more stamina than a supporting role. Minnie Fay is especially easy. There are 5 songs before she even appears. | |
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| re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:50 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) - Chromolume 04:05 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
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| "it's hard to know where the fault really lies, or if it really even lies only with one person. " That's true but the truth is actually broader: in my experience, in the theatre, it is never one person on whom all of the blame can be placed. I think that is very true here. I think every person who has been named shares in the mess. |
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| re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 04:17 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:17 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Beanie was bad for Broadway (no need to shout) - Chromolume 04:05 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
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| I think we also have to keep in mind that the narrative of this being a lifelong dream/goal for Beanie was one that was likely seeded by the production as a major marketing tool. They appear to have decided that building a PR campaign around that would be a way to get people to see the show (perhaps playing into the frisson between character and real-life actor that another poster has written about so eloquently as elevating her final performance), so that became the thrust of the press around her. As with so many other things with this production, the failures of that approach are now being foisted upon Beanie as an "entitled" actor. | |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Posted by: Roman 07:28 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Psst. You’re the problem. YOU’RE bad for Broadway. | |
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| re: Agreed (SMH at the idiocy of DOTD's post) | |
| Last Edit: SQ 09:49 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| Posted by: SQ 09:48 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - Roman 07:28 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
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| Childish. SILLY. |
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| I feel like I need a shower... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:04 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| after reading this thread. I know it's a lot to hope for, but it sure would be nice if we could evolve a little as human beings. I am not advocating for censoring anyone (although I think some of the comments in this thread are close to others that have been censored previously - I know because one was mine :-) ) |
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| re: I feel like I need a shower... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:02 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: I feel like I need a shower... - ryhog 08:04 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| It's a lot to hope for, for your to take a shower? (;o) | |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 06:24 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Beanie's childhood dream of starring in FUNNY GIRL on Broadway was never refined over the years to include the responsibilities, priorities, work ethic, training, stamina, dedication and inbred talent attached to fulfilling that dream eight times a week for a year. She fed into the fantasies of the next generation of performers that the road to Broadway stardom is easy. Her demands were unprecedented. Who ever heard of a star asking in advance for a four-day leave-of-absence -- for any reason! -- five days after opening night? That the producers agreed was folly and makes me wonder about stars' demands in the future. Please keep in mind that there are endless examples of stars, present and past, who personify professionalism at the highest level. Let's be grateful to them and bid Beanie farewell. It's over. It's time to let it go. Move on. |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 05:09 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| I might add -- having your wealthy family investing in your "star turn" didn't hurt. | |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Posted by: roleplay 09:42 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - Pokernight 05:09 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Forgive me if it has already been discussed, but what exactly WAS the casting process? Did Beanie have to audition? | |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:02 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:00 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - roleplay 09:42 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| She spoke about auditioning (and not telling her family until after she landed the part) on either Seth Meyers or Jimmy Kimmel, can’t remember which. | |
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| It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:28 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - MockingbirdGirl 10:00 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Of course, we now know that even though her family wasn't told in advance that she was being cast, the producers were aware that once they cast her, her parents would put in millions upon millions of badly needed dollars, so they only cast her because they knew eventually it would secure the financing to bring the show to Broadway. In fact, the entire plan to bring the show to Broadway was always contingent upon casting Beanie in order to get her family's financing, and so the audition wasn't even a real audition, it was just a sham to raise money from her wealthy parents who we now know also bankrolled all of her movies and TV shows, and in fact they bankrolled the entirety of Ryan Murphy's career, in the expectation that after twenty years of making TV series, he would cast her in a limited TV series that would air on cable and streaming services, thus fulfilling their dreams of making their talentless daughter a bona fide star. This conspiracy theory brought to you by bile, nonsense, and a healthy dose of satire that is only slightly more delirious than the actual things people are writing and passing off as facts. |
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| re: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayBee 07:21 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. - Singapore/Fling 11:28 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| “Millions upon millions”? Really? No one does that except that Trumpy golf tournament in NJ! Ha! | |
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| re: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. | |
| Posted by: Ann 08:05 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. - BroadwayBee 07:21 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
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| Were Funny Girl tickets going for $1? :) | |
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| re: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:33 am EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: It was all part of a nefarious, convoluted, dastardly plot on behalf of her parents. - Singapore/Fling 11:28 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| As I said in another post, I think we need to give this a rest, and stop feeding the bile, but I would point out that your "satire" is rooted, in part, in assumptions that you cannot prove any more than the contrary ones can be proven. | |
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| re: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 04:40 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| This is a strange amount of intimate information about her. How do you know this? | |
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| GET A HOBBY | |
| Posted by: student_rush 04:20 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Do people who feel the need to express such personal hostility have other interests or passions in life? What a miserable way to pass one's time. | |
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| Theater is a hobby | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:25 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: GET A HOBBY - student_rush 04:20 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| At least for me. So I have to get another one? But I agree the original post is unnecessary. It’s not going to change the system. And it’s not the first and won’t be last time someone is miscast in a show. It happens. I did notice the show is now selling tickets to the end of March 2023. It was selling only to November. I don’t know when the new block of tickets went on sale. |
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| re: Theater is a hobby | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:50 pm EDT 08/03/22 | |
| In reply to: Theater is a hobby - dramedy 04:25 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Interesting. That would have Lea performing for 6 1/2 months. So... 2 weeks of previews and then the critics come prior to a 6 month run? | |
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| re: Theater is a hobby | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 05:17 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Theater is a hobby - dramedy 04:25 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| It recalls the trend in the 1970's and 1980's when the leads in MOWs and Miniseries were MIScast because their being in a hit series was the main criteria -- aka TVQ | |
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| ^ Bile | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:44 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| For those who were asking “what bile?” And it’s not the only example today. Oh my God, asking for your guaranteed time off and having it approved by management, what a monster. |
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| It's not really bile | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 05:06 pm EDT 08/03/22 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:02 pm EDT 08/03/22 | |
| In reply to: ^ Bile - Singapore/Fling 03:44 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| The title is harsh but the complaints in the post are valid. It was easier for her. She didn't have to audition against 100s of people. She did take her first weekend of the run off. She doesn't seem to have a professional work ethic or commitment to the job as she decided to leave the show before the negotiated September exit date. And she missed what 30 performances along the run? People who audition for years and undergo 8 callbacks for one job take the job more seriously because it was so difficult to get. | |
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| re: ^ Bile | |
| Posted by: swoozie 04:06 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: ^ Bile - Singapore/Fling 03:44 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| 100% I hope I never work for people who think like the OP. | |
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| Maybe the people who cast her are bad for Broadway nmi | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:35 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Meaning her parents? | |
| Posted by: NoPeopleLike 04:07 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe the people who cast her are bad for Broadway nmi - Ann 03:35 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| You're right. They are. | |
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| There is no evidence her parents are involved in the show | |
| Last Edit: JAllenC3 04:37 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| Posted by: JAllenC3 04:37 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Meaning her parents? - NoPeopleLike 04:07 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| On a creative level. It's a common belief but it's not borne out by facts. Did they invest after she was cast? Maybe, I don't know. But they aren't producers and there's no evidence they were involved in casting. | |
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| What country are you from? | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 05:06 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:06 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: There is no evidence her parents are involved in the show - JAllenC3 04:37 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Because in the US, facts don’t matter anymore. Baseless accusations and statements have full weight and credit as the truth. It all changed in 2016. | |
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| re: What country are you from? | |
| Posted by: broadwaybacker 04:52 pm EDT 08/02/22 | |
| In reply to: What country are you from? - dramedy 05:06 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| Once again, this post and other similar posts in this thread made me wish once again that we could just click on a "like" button. | |
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| No nmi | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:11 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Meaning her parents? - NoPeopleLike 04:07 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| re: give me a break | |
| Posted by: kidmanboy 03:31 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: BEANIE WAS BAD FOR BROADWAY. - DOTD 03:23 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| There's no reason why a Broadway actor's personal life and health should be entirely sacrificed to be in a Broadway show. Just as every other industry has taken stock of work life balance, Broadway should as well. Actors are just as human as the rest of us. You can be professional and still take time off to be a bridesmaid for a friend's wedding! | |
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| re: give me a break | |
| Posted by: Indavidzopinion 04:24 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: give me a break - kidmanboy 03:31 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| As has been reported in my thread, below ( last evening performance with Beanie) and the more recent thread ( last performance with Beanie/ Sunday matinee), the production of Funny Girl, towards the end of its run, had a very powerful double effect. First there was the play, itself, but then there was the fact that the leading lady had been so heavily criticized. The audience came with the idea that this was a young woman who had been treated very harshly, so every time she sang a line like: « …and if I’m fanned out….at least I didn’ t fake it, » or « That’s life in the theatre! » those lines had special resonance. Here was someone, on stage, who had seen her hopes dashed, who had suffered humiliation, but she did not seem to have been crushed by the experience. Anyone who caught those last two performances can testify that there was an undeniable special emotional electricity in the theatre that night, intensified by the fact that the other featured performers were on their best game. Over the length of the run’ Beanie overcame what was denounced as lack of emotional connection between her and her leading man. In the « You are woman/ I am man, » when she straddled her partner and hiked up the hem of her skirt, it was quite an effective gesture. All in all, she exited the show showing that, in the months since the first preview, she had really grown in the role. I know that, as soon as I post this, others will disagree, but, for the record, this is my estimate of the last of a very stormy tenure as featured actress on Broadway. | |
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| re: Quentin Tarantino was bad for Broadway | |
| Posted by: LouHarry 12:06 pm EDT 08/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: give me a break - Indavidzopinion 04:24 pm EDT 08/01/22 | |
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| For context, I don't recall anyone saying Quentin Tarantino was bad for Broadway when he decided he could star in a production of "Wait Until Dark" and gave the most amateurish performance I've ever seen on a Broadway stage. Would have been a wreck even if it was a community theater production. |
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