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| Posted by: NYCVoiceTeacher 12:44 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - Chromolume 10:42 pm EDT 08/07/22 | |
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| With all due respect. The Play belongs to ME. It is my property they are renting. They legally have NO RIGHT to change a damn thing. Yes, I do have a cut down version available. They rarely use it. They want to make their own cuts, and although I don't take it personally because I know it goes on with many plays, The schools have no right at all to do this. If they want to contact me, I am willing to work with them. I don't need perspective. There is none. It's my property. They are renting it AS IS. Playwrights are creators. We deserve to have our property respected. The fact that you think that I should just allow anyone to cut whatever they want is just awful. I don't blame the kids. I have been a theatre educator for thirty years. I have never cut someone's work. Your attitude is a part of the problem. You could not be more wrong. "maybe I should take my play out of the market".. are you insane. It took me ten years to write the play. There are actual rights a playwright has. That is why I am a member of the Dramatists Guild. I am sure they would agree with me, and think everything you are saying goes against our protections. So, don't cut my play unless you ask me. Don't change the casting unless you ask me. Don't change a damn thing unless you ask me. You talk as though schools have a right to cut the plays... they DO NOT. |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:33 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - NYCVoiceTeacher 12:44 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| So, don't cut my play unless you ask me. Don't change the casting unless you ask me. Don't change a damn thing unless you ask me. You talk as though schools have a right to cut the plays... they DO NOT. It's not that you're wrong in any of this - you're not. But you also know, full well, that most schools don't ask for permission for such things. For ANY show. It seems you're taking this very personally. But it's not about you as much as it is about how such things are handled (or not) in general. And if you've really "been a theatre educator for 30 years," you already know this. But you yourself brought up the times when cuts are actually and routinely asked for (the play festivals, etc). And you HAVE to know that those cuts (to ANY plays, not just yours) are probably NEVER made with the permission of the playwright. So getting angry about it seems to serve no real purpose. You seem to want things both ways. It's hard to know what you're really complaining about. In any case, I woud wonder if ATC is really the place to complain, if you want anything to be done about it. (Meaning no disrespect to ATC.) Perhaps you need to talk to the heads of these school festivals to see if the rules can be strengthened or more carefully worded. As a member of the DG, you must know about the link below. And Abaire's work here is very good, and also, dare I say, very cute. But what does the DG do to get it enforced?????? If you don't have answers, I think your complaints, especially when put so personally, seem a bit hollow. |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: NYCVoiceTeacher 01:52 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - Chromolume 01:33 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| Honestly, I don't care what you think. It's my property. Most of the competitions now have rules that schools cannot make cuts without the Playwrights permission in writing. I don't want things both ways. I want it one way. My way. As the owner of the property. The legal owner. If they choose not to do my play because I don't them to cut it, that is fine with me. Since this thread is about someone producing a play without seeking the rights... my comments are relative. You seem to be a part of the problem. if you are working with kids and cutting plays... Stop. And yes I was an educator but I don't remember ever cutting a play. The answer is... it's my play. Don't cut it without asking. And yes, I do take it personally since my property is being cut up. When you write a play and then manage to get it published, which is VERY difficult... let me know. Until then, don't give me a lecture about how you think I should feel. | |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 03:06 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - NYCVoiceTeacher 01:52 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| You seem to be a part of the problem. if you are working with kids and cutting plays... Stop. You have no idea who I am. Don't accuse me of anything. I am not cutting plays. And as I said, I don't think ATC is the right place for this discussion. Go teach your vocal students, who I'm sure are working on audition cuts lol. Take care. |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: NYCVoiceTeacher 04:47 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - Chromolume 03:06 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| Go teach your vocal students, who I'm sure are working on audition cuts lol. Take care. That is a pretty dumb comment. It's an audition. They aren't having a song cut down in a production of the show. Lin Manuel has plenty of money to fight this, in whatever way he chooses. My point is there are thousands of other Playwrights who get the same infringement of THEIR property and they are not able to sue every theatre that messes with their scripts. So it doesn't matter to me what you think is appropriate. Write a play yourself and get it published and then maybe you might have some idea of what I am talking about. |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:33 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - NYCVoiceTeacher 04:47 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| My point is there are thousands of other Playwrights who get the same infringement of THEIR property and they are not able to sue every theatre that messes with their scripts. Yes. I agree that is true, and it's horrible. (And at least you're acknowledging other playwrights now, not just "you, and you, and nothing but you.") So what are you going to do about it, aside from posting angrily on ATC? |
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| re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:09 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - NYCVoiceTeacher 04:47 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| That is a pretty dumb comment. It's an audition. They aren't having a song cut down in a production of the show. In some cases, like a college musical theatre showcase, songs are done with cuts. |
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| Posted by: JAllenC3 05:49 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Texas church performance of Hamilton .... - NYCVoiceTeacher 04:47 pm EDT 08/08/22 | |
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| I only hope to live long enough to see your play enter the public domain so I can produce a version that changes everything possible while still making it clearly your play... gender & ethnicity of characters, dialogue, setting, etc | |
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