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| Posted by: pecansforall 03:03 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - ryhog 02:59 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Is this a fact? | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:14 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - pecansforall 03:03 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| I did not post the link that Ann posted below because I thought Boroff had it paywalled. In case it is, the fact is that the info is from the offering, which might not mean much in every case but with Seller at the reins and with the talent lined up, I would say it is pretty close to a definite. They will certainly have the money. I forgot to add: Spring 2023. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:06 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - pecansforall 03:03 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Link | Per here |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 03:51 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Ann 03:06 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| “… with a full orchestra playing the score.” That’s music to my ears. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Roman 04:07 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Unhookthestars 03:51 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| The orchestra and orchestrations on the OBC are as much a character as Lovett or Todd, no? Just goose-bump raising. So it’s reassuring to know that we’ll get a full orchestra. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 04:13 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Roman 04:07 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Definitely, at least for me, which is why I found the absence of an orchestra in the John Doyle Sweeney Todd a disappointment. Same goes for the 2019 Fiasco revival of “Merrily.” That music needs to be brassy in many places and that just wasn’t possible with this production. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:31 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Unhookthestars 04:13 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| I actually admired Sarah Travis' orchestrations - except (and this probably links with your comment) when the full cast had to be singing, meaning sometimes only piano was playing, which was not at all enough. I always kind of wished that Travis would have been asked to flesh out her inventive orchestration to get rid of those "holes" in the sound, and let MTI offer it as an alternate orchestration (i.e. NOT to be performed by the cast.) For me, that production of Sweeney was a very good concert. That's it. For the most part, I felt people were too busy playing orchestra instruments to also look credibly involved in the scene. No acting, no theatre. It was a concert. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Last Edit: Unhookthestars 08:27 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 08:24 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Chromolume 04:31 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Chromolume — You’re absolutely right. On second thought, I do quite like the “Teeny Todd” orchestrations and listen to the cast recording often. But those same orchestrations felt unsatisfying to me when I saw the show live (on tour); their lack of “oomph” simply failed to serve the story. I also agree that the actors were so busy fiddling with the instruments and trying to keep them in a position that would allow them to be played properly that it probably took up the attention and energy they could have otherwise spent on playing their characters instead. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:09 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Unhookthestars 08:24 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| If I'm not mistaken, "Teeny Todd" was the nickname given to the 1989 revival at Circle in the Square, directed by Susan H. Schulman, the first Broadway revival. It was sadly not recorded. The 2006 revival was also teeny but I don't think it was called that, and was small in a very different way than the 1989. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Last Edit: Unhookthestars 12:09 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
| Posted by: Unhookthestars 12:08 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Chazwaza 09:09 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| You’re right about “Teeny Todd,” of course! Thanks for the correction. Now we need a different nickname for the Doyle production. How about “Teeny-Weeny Sweeney”? | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:03 pm EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Unhookthestars 12:08 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
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| Creepy Todd? Loony Todd? |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: skier74 09:36 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Chazwaza 09:09 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| The Forbidden Broadway "Teeny Todd" was DEFINITELY pre-2006. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 10:02 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - skier74 09:36 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Oh yeah, I forgot that's where the name came from. Yeah, that revival hasn't had much lasting impact in the annals of Broadway history... largely because it didn't win any Tonys, wasn't nominated for many (though it did get nods for Best Revival, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Director, and there was no cast album or video recording made of it. I would say it is notable because it made Susan H. Schulman one of the few female directors nominated for a Best Direction Tony, it was also the first revival on Broadway of a Sondheim/Prince musical... Forum was revived in 1976 for a short run, but otherwise no other Sondheim show prior to 1989. And then the next one was in 1996 when the Nathan Lane Forum revival competed against the first Company revival (Forum won). If we count Gypsy then of course that had revivals in 1974 and 1989. There was of course the 1984 off-broadway revival of Pacific Overtures, but that was off. And Merrily was done in 1994 off-broadway, again directed by Schulman. Sad that we didn't get a cast recordings of Teeny Todd... unlike the Gypsy and Forum revivals, it was markedly different in approach and scope and orchestration than the original, and so I think justified an album... but of course, there are many reasonable reasons not to record a short lived revival that won no Tonys, had no stars, and opened just years after the OBC album came out. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: bmc 11:16 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Chazwaza 10:02 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Can an ANYONE CAN WHISTLE revival be far behind? | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 03:23 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Ann 03:06 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| I just can't picture Josh Groban as Sweeney. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 05:36 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - pecansforall 03:23 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| A very vulnerable, very sad Sweeney rather than a sociopath… | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:26 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - lordofspeech 05:36 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| There's really nothing in the text of Sweeney that makes him a sociopath until he snaps after missing his chance to kill the Judge. So that will be the challenge for Groban - does he really change at "Epiphany?" I think too many of us grew up with the tour video of the original production, with George Hearn being "booby hatched" from the first moments of the play. Not the way it should go, IMO. |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 09:28 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:15 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Chromolume 08:26 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| Yeah, and to dismiss him, or have a production/performance guide you to dismissing him as an actual sociopath or an unhinged maniac kind of defeats some of the point of the story. If he's just insane then he isn't relatable, and nothing that drives him to this place of violence can really be blamed. Of course making the choice for his revenge is one thing, but we are meant to consider the circumstances. | |
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| re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 04:04 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - pecansforall 03:23 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| It's certainly strange casting. | |
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| Cariou's Sweeney was wistful... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 04:43 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Boroff: Sweeney: Groban+Ashford - Ncassidine 04:04 pm EDT 08/23/22 | |
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| ...by turns; he was very affecting in "The Barber and His Wife", and even when he caressed his "Friends" the razors. Elsewhere he was resentful, then ready to pounce, then wounded, then enraged (and genuinely scary)... It was the most nuanced performance I ever saw in a musical and must have been exhausting. But one shouldn't criticise Hearn on the video performance - he had been playing it for about two years and it looks as if his emotional references may have passed their used-by date in some areas. A fine and sensitive performer. |
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| re: Cariou's Sweeney was wistful... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:18 pm EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: Cariou's Sweeney was wistful... - peter3053 04:43 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
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| While it's not fair to blame Hearn entirely, and the context of the performance matters... it is not going to be considered by almost anyone. This is why these shows should be revisited and guided by the director when they are going to be filmed. This is THE record of the original Sweeney... it's a shame we have a coked-up Johanna "Green Finch" and an "arriving over-done" Sweeney... I was still mesmerized and in love, but there are more nuanced and stronger/deeper performances of Sweeney (the role) to be had and I wish that had been preserved on video for posterity. As wonderful as replacement performers often are... I'm always quite bummed when a show is finally taped for release to the world and it is not with that original cast who made the show, or it has been so long that their performances have loosened or lost things. I'm think of Sweeney, Piazza, and several others I'm sure. I wonder if Hal went to visit the Sweeney tour for a few performances before it was filmed and held a rehearsal or anything to brush them up to how he actually wants it. Maybe he did. Maybe Hearn, too, just isn't quite as good as Cariou. Who knows. | |
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| re: Cariou's Sweeney was wistful... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:36 pm EDT 08/24/22 | |
| In reply to: Cariou's Sweeney was wistful... - peter3053 04:43 am EDT 08/24/22 | |
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| A fine and sensitive performer ...who got roasted in Forbidden Broadway with "I Ham What I Ham." Yup... |
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