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| Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Saw &Juliet and I have questions…. - PlazaBoy 03:37 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| I don’t think jukebox are any better than that. I usually split jukebox where songs are inserted around a plot and biographical musicals like beautiful and beautiful noise. In this century, there were 4 hits (Jersey boys, beautiful, Springsteen and probably MJ). The flops are baby it’s you, fela!, Motown, night with Janis Joplin, on your feet, escape to margaritaville, summer, cher show, Tina. For jukebox in plot are 3: mamma Mia, rock of ages American idiot. I think the flops are Dance of the vampire, urban cowboy, good vibrations, all shook up, Lennon, ring of fire, hot feet, Pricilla, disaster, bandstand, head over heels, girl from north country So the answer is no—use of familiar songs doesn’t seem to guarantee success. |
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| re: Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:52 pm EDT 08/28/22 | |
| In reply to: Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup - dramedy 04:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Bandstand isn’t a jukebox musical. | |
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| re: Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 05:20 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:10 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup - dramedy 04:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Motown definitely recouped on Broadway. I also heard reports that it made a ton of money with its national tour. American Idiot did not recoup on Broadway, but it was followed by a lengthy tour. Is there anecdotal evidence that it recouped via that route? The Boy from Oz recouped. I believe that Ain't Too Proud announced recoupment a few months ago. Didn't it receive covid money? I would put a show like Springsteen on Broadway in the same category as American Utopia; Hugh Jackman, Back on Broadway; Freestyle Love Supreme-- all of which recouped -- because they are more like concerts. Rain probably belongs in this group also. However, I agree with your statement that the use of familiar songs doesn't give a show a greater chance at success over those with original scores. |
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| We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: dramedy 05:33 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Only around 20-25% of musicals recoup - BroadwayTonyJ 05:10 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| JLP is a flop and I predict MR will also. | |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 05:57 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - dramedy 05:33 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| There are probably others. It depends on how far back we want to go. It's also hard to classify some shows like the "new" Gershwin musicals: 3 hits (My One and Only, Crazy for You, American in Paris) and a miss (Nice Work If You Can Get It). |
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| I don’t think American in Paris recouped | |
| Posted by: dramedy 06:26 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - BroadwayTonyJ 05:57 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| It was close but I don’t think it did. There’s also Hershey felders George Gershwin Alone. | |
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| re: I don’t think American in Paris recouped | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:54 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: I don’t think American in Paris recouped - dramedy 06:26 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| An American in Paris did not recoup on Broadway but must have recouped via the national tour that followed. Regarding the concert-type shows, Elaine Stritch at Liberty, Barbara's Cook Broadway!, Bea Arthur's Broadway all recouped. |
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| re: I don’t think American in Paris recouped | |
| Posted by: jjbkvm 07:26 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I don’t think American in Paris recouped - BroadwayTonyJ 06:54 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Yes but thats probably because the original show toured, not a replacement cast. | |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 06:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - BroadwayTonyJ 05:57 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| I'll add Dream (1997), featuring the lyrics of Johnny Mercer. My first jukebox musical, although I wouldn't have known that phrase then. It was pretty bad. |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 09:20 pm EDT 08/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - PlazaBoy 06:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Dream isn't a jukebox musical. It's a revue. | |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 10:44 pm EDT 08/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - KingSpeed 09:20 pm EDT 08/28/22 | |
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| Yes, I acknowledged that in the thread prior to your post. | |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:47 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - PlazaBoy 06:18 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| The phrase "jukebox musical" apparently became popular when Mamma Mia! burst on the scene and became an enormous hit in 1999. However, I assume that there must have been revues on Broadway during the 30's and 40's that featured non-original songs, but I don't have the knowledge to verify it. Comden and Green did a revue in the 50's made up of their previously written songs. Green Grow the Lilacs in 1931 has always been considered a play yet it featured a whole score of traditional folk songs, at least 12 musical numbers according to IBDB. The Black Crook in 1866 contained a lot of music and songs that was not original. |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: Live_From_London 08:00 am EDT 08/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - BroadwayTonyJ 06:47 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| I always think of a Jukebox Musical as a show with a new book connecting it all together, with the artists' songs shoe horned in, and Mamma Mia was one of the first. I want to say that 5 Guys Named Moe was a musical, or was it a revue? MM definitely led the way for anyone with a back catalogue to try and make a show out of it, rarely with a similar level of success. We've had Boney M, Rod Stuart, Spice Girls, Madness - though I did enjoy 'Our House' if only because it used a clever 'sliding doors' 'What/If' type scenario and had some good ideas. |
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| re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 07:49 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - BroadwayTonyJ 06:47 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Thank you for the information. Dream would probably be most accurately categorized as a revue, although there was some attempt at a narrative. |
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| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:11 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
| In reply to: re: We both forgot moulin rouge and jagged little pill - PlazaBoy 07:49 pm EDT 08/27/22 | |
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| Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between a revue and a book musical. However, traditionally, most theatre historians have always referred to revues and book shows as musicals, just like the Tonys do. | |
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