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| Did you notice these "Into the Woods" details? | |
| Posted by: TheBroadwayMaven (DavidBenkof@gmail.com) 02:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| The latest Broadway Maven Weekly Blast is a deep dive into Into the Woods. Why does Jack call The Baker a butcher? What do the four objects symbolize? What quirks does the show have in common with other Sondheim works? What are the two key puns that reveal homophonically what Into the Woods is about? | |
| Link | SPECIAL ISSUE of the Weekly Blast: Going deep "Into the Woods" |
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| re: Did you notice that the Mysterious Man is not Jack's father? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:16 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Did you notice these "Into the Woods" details? - TheBroadwayMaven 02:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Among some other questionable statements. | |
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| re: Did you notice these "Into the Woods" details? | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 11:25 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Did you notice these "Into the Woods" details? - TheBroadwayMaven 02:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| You lost me at "wants" and "once" being homophones. | |
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| While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 05:27 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: Did you notice these "Into the Woods" details? - TheBroadwayMaven 02:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| If the beans grow giant beanstalks rising up to the sky, why were there not enormous beanstalks in the Witch's garden, from which the beans would have to have come? I realise I'm being pedantic. |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 03:16 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: While on the subject...the beans... - peter3053 05:27 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Magic. Giant beanstalks are obviously impractical for gardening purposes. There's no indication that Jack's father knew they were magic (although why, then, did they go uneaten? Distracted by crashing and flashing?), so the plant must have appeared to be a normal one. So, magic. Perhaps it's a particular cultivation technique that leads a standard beanstalk to yield special beans. Same for the goose...it had to have hatched in the standard manner, from a just-a-goose parent, but has its own unique quality. |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 05:06 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - sirpupnyc 03:16 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| There's no indication that Jack's father knew they were magic Jack's father? |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 06:11 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - Chromolume 05:06 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| He's not back, so how was he to know? | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:51 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - sirpupnyc 06:11 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| And he's not coming back. But the way you phrased it, the logical assumption was that the Baker's Father is the one who didn't eat the beans. Jack's Father never had a chance to weigh in on the beans, though Jack's Mother had the opportunity to put them into a stew or something. |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 04:22 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - Singapore/Fling 03:51 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| I did mean the Baker's father. Garden-variety slip. | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 06:08 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - sirpupnyc 04:22 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| The baker? I thought he was the butcher... | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:04 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: While on the subject...the beans... - peter3053 05:27 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| It's not pedantic, it's a good question - and an example of how every story, at some level, has to have some kind of flaw in order to make the rest of it work. Likewise, if the beans were to come from a giant stalk, why are they not giant beans? We have to chalk a lot up to "magic" taking care of the logistical issues. |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 09:07 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - Singapore/Fling 03:04 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Couldn't the beans have been made magic by the witch or her mother? | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 09:51 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 09:50 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - andPeggy 09:07 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Obviously not the Witch. More probably her mother. Or, at least her mother warned her about them. "All right, mother, when? Lost the beans again. Punish me the way you did then - give me claws and a hunch..." | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: mikem 02:44 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: While on the subject...the beans... - peter3053 05:27 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Could the Witch have gotten the beans from someone else? She doesn't seem like someone who would be puttering around a home garden. | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:02 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - mikem 02:44 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| What gives you that impression? Based on her words, she's very proud of her garden, saying that the Baker's Father raped her when he took her veggies, and makes a special mention that the rampion was her champion, her favorite! This is someone who takes her gardening seriously, | |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Last Edit: lordofspeech 10:33 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 10:30 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - Singapore/Fling 03:02 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I’ve always thought the witch’s mother was Gaea, the Earth herself. So the Baker’s father’s theft of the vegetables is like a literal assault on the body of the mother. And, at the end of the play, the Witch herself is re-swallowed into her mother’s womb. It does seem to me that the Witch’s infatuation with a modern sense of what is beautiful to the human race (in herself and in her foster-daughter) bespeaks a self-loathing, an inability to accept herself as a dsughter of the Earth, a sort of ur-human. She wants to pass for a regular human and is willing to sacrifice her considerable prowess as a sorceress. One question: is her father Al Gore? |
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| re: While on the subject...the beans... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:28 am EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - lordofspeech 10:30 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| The Witch is unaware that regaining her beauty (and original spinal structure and hands) will make her powerless; the sacrifice is unintentional and it leads her to be “unhappy ever after”. | |
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| And then there's the goose... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 01:41 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: While on the subject...the beans... - Singapore/Fling 10:28 am EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| Awfully small for a giant, those golden eggs. They'd be like golden peas to a giant. And why in Giantland would the geese be so tiny? Did Giantland have a permanent food shortage, or rather, smallage? Speaking as one who nonetheless loves Into The Woods with a passion. |
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| re: And then there's not the goose... | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 04:51 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:48 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: And then there's the goose... - peter3053 01:41 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| There isn't any goose, There is a hen. The hen is referred to several times, including in the middle of "Your Fault." | |
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| re: And then there's not the goose... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 06:06 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: And then there's not the goose... - Chromolume 04:48 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| Ah, yes... well, tiny hen then. I guess I got loose with my "goose". |
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| re: And then there's not the goose... | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:17 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
| In reply to: re: And then there's not the goose... - peter3053 06:06 pm EDT 09/02/22 | |
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| There's a gaggle of 'em in Forum... | |
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