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| LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Last Edit: seeseveryshow 11:45 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
| Posted by: seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Members are blocked from member seating in first 12 rows center orch, as well as 4 seats on both side orchestra aisles. Front row mezz also blocked. Only rear and side orch available as well as mezz and balcony. Not a nice/good way to welcome back loyal LCT members after COVID shutdown. I believe I saw this “play” about 10 years ago at the Duke. I’ll wait for comps from the papering services. Not eager to see it to begin with, and certainly not from poor seats. |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: LoisP 07:06 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I received a presale offer from Broadway’s Best Shows that includes second and third row of the orchestra as non-premium, and front row of the mezzanine on the side starting with the fifth seat in. Audra provides the code in her IG post today. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: mikem 10:45 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - LoisP 07:06 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I would have thought that LCT members would also be offered the very close rows, especially if they are non-premium and eligible for other discounts. Frankie and Johnny did not sell well, and I don't expect this can sell well on Audra's name alone. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: den 06:47 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| My guess is that the producers are treating the Lincoln Center Member discount as they would any other discount offer from, say, Theatermania or Playbill Club. The best seats are always excluded from those discount offers. That said, I think producers are wildly overestimating interest in this production. With Audra, it will probably do respectable business, but it won’t be anywhere near a sellout. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - den 06:47 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| To be fair, if they thought it was going to be anywhere near a sellout, they likely would not have made the deal with LCT. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: sonata10 03:32 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Who is responsible at LCT for the poor seats offered to subscribers? Rather than screaming into the wind I would like to complain to the appropriate person/department. I believe a laser is better than a blowing fan. | |
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| LCT Probably has little control | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:11 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - sonata10 03:32 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| This isn’t a LCT production where they are sole producers like women on the verge or the nance. In those cases, they could offer any seat in the house to members. With co-produced shows like this and mockingbird, the lead producer most likely controls pricing and seat allocation. Granted that LCT has clout at the table, but offering $170 orch seats for $65 really doesn’t hold much weight to the lead producer. I assume that lct members have access to unsold seats closer to performance so that is probably the thing to do is just wait. This show isn’t going to be a sellout like mockingbird. |
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| OH YES THEY DO! | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 06:24 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Probably has little control - dramedy 04:11 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| LCT is handing over hundreds of thousands of member dollars to the producers and could have demanded that member seats be in better locations. Either they didn't think to ask or were turned down. If so, LCT could have said "no deal." From my personal experience, I know that Manhattan Theatre Club would never have let this happen. They value their subscribers and want to give them every benefit they could whereas LCT thinks they are giving its members a bargain and the members should be grateful for any crumb LCT offers them. | |
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| What options do they have | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:52 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: OH YES THEY DO! - TheHarveyBoy 06:24 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| Yes, they are handing over hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the producers of Ohio State would likely have wanted millions of dollars for those prime seats. If LCT and its members can't pay that, and if LCT is stuck in a bind with nothing to produce, then this is probably the best they can do. After last season, they're really counting on "Camelot" to deliver and keep them happy Broadway-level members. |
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| OH NO THEY DON'T! lol | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:54 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: OH YES THEY DO! - TheHarveyBoy 06:24 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| First of all, it makes zero economic sense for the commercial producer of this show to give up prime real estate to LCT member tickets. Such a proposal unquestionably would have been turned down if proposed. As you say, LCT could have refused to make a "bad" deal. That's true, but what are the alternatives? I see three. 1. They could have produced a show [but that costs money]. 2. They could have secured better seats for a different show [e.g., Kite Runner, but I doubt that would satisfy the members any more (and maybe less)]. 3. They could have done nothing [which would have elicited even greater outrage around here]. I am on record as not being enamored of the LCT leadership but sometimes one has to put things in context. As they used to ask on some TV show, what would you do? |
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| re: OH NO THEY DON'T! lol | |
| Posted by: den 08:27 pm EDT 09/04/22 | |
| In reply to: OH NO THEY DON'T! lol - ryhog 01:54 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| What would you do? Perhaps LCT might have considered skipping a fall offering that would have been comparable to a show at the Beaumont and extending memberships for six months so that current members would have had access to Camelot in the spring and a yet to be determined show next fall. It seems that the decision to offer OSM under the terms the producers of that show have presumably set has fostered considerable ill will among LCT members, and I’m not sure the deal will pay off for LCT. | |
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| re: OH NO THEY DON'T! lol | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:12 pm EDT 09/04/22 | |
| In reply to: re: OH NO THEY DON'T! lol - den 08:27 pm EDT 09/04/22 | |
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| Thanks for responding and offering a suggestion. TBH I don't think the extension idea is something that would cross their mind. I think most people see the fifty bucks as a relatively nominal fee. Even if they buy Camelot and nothing else, it's pretty much covered, and of course the idea is that it will also let people see shows downstairs at a good price. Your assumption that there will be a different fall show in the Beaumont may also be something that had not occurred to them. It just seems to me that you are advocating for less rather than more, and I think that's a hard argument to make. A person who does not want to see OSM doesn't have to. I think quite a few people will. What surprised me, I guess, is the idea that anyone thinks that (let's say) $300 seats are going to be priced in line with the Beaumont. Or are people expecting that they will be offered at some higher price like $200? I guess I just don't understand. I guess another question I have is how much ill will there really is. We have a tendency here to get well ahead of the outrage curve sometimes. Let's assume that Audra is going to create something good. How much ill will do meh seats for good theatre generate in comparison to good seats for meh theatre? I would probably be more exercised about this if the membership were considerably more. As I see it, the histrionics over basically $25 max (apportioning $25 to Camelot and assuming one gets no other benefit from the membership) seems disproportionate and I suspect that's what prompted the reactions. ymmv, of course. |
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| Membership vs. subscription | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:25 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: OH YES THEY DO! - TheHarveyBoy 06:24 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| Of course they're not going to provide the same benefits. Not having to set aside the best seats for subscribers may be the very reason the producers partnered with LCT rather than MTC or Roundabout. |
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| re: Membership vs. subscription | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:54 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: Membership vs. subscription - MockingbirdGirl 11:25 am EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| Also, have either MTC or Roundabout partnered in a Broadway show that wasn't in their own houses? The analogy really makes no sense if that isn't the case. I seem to recall that maybe Roundabout offered its subscribers tickets (or a discount?) to "Mrs. Doubtfire", but again... they're the landlord. | |
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| re: Membership vs. subscription | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 03:14 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Membership vs. subscription - Singapore/Fling 02:54 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| I'm sure there have been a handful, though I'd have a hard time coming up with a list. Wasn't the Derek Jacobi Uncle Vanya produced by Roundabout but at a non-Roundabout house? Not sure about all those shows staged at the Gramercy, either... but certainly MOST of their shows are indeed at their own houses. | |
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| re: Membership vs. subscription | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:48 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Membership vs. subscription - MockingbirdGirl 03:14 pm EDT 09/03/22 | |
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| I don't see any indication at all that that Vanya had commercial producers; it was an RNT production. It also did not run beyond its subscription run and it was one of several subscription runs around that time which was when they transitioned from the Criterion to the Selwyn (soon named the AA). There may be a few examples of buying tickets from a commercial production as LCT has done quite a bit but I cannot think of any. Also, the whole thing of having commercial producers connected is relatively recent. Finally, of course, MTC has only a short history as a Broadway producer. I am not sure how the Gramercy shows would relate; they were not Broadway. In any case, this really seems like a LCT only model (which makes sense because of how they use the Beaumont) whereas RNY created a different model by owning 3 houses on Broadway. One other point: LCT has also not been shy about commercial partners at the Beaumont, and also, I think, did buy tickets for a few shows they did not produce there. (e.g., Ann). | |
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| re: LCT Probably has little control | |
| Posted by: sonata10 04:25 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Probably has little control - dramedy 04:11 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Thanks for your insight but ultimately LCT should do better for their members. Period. I have stood with them in good seasons and lately, mostly bad. I have sent an email and complained on their facebook page. They really need to know people are displeased. I would REALLY like to know how to do that. As do others I am sure. | |
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| re: LCT Probably has little control | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:21 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: re: LCT Probably has little control - sonata10 04:25 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I agree they are bungling things with their members (and are not alone in doing so). I'm not sure many are up to the task that lies before them. But I do think it is important to recognize that the non-profits are hurting terribly, more than I think most of us imagine. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: wmgrad1976 01:50 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I was disappointed when I saw the seats offered to us subscribers. I agree that it's not a smart way to treat your members. I decided to pass on this one too. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: aislestorm 12:17 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
| In reply to: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - seeseveryshow 11:43 am EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| Just as I predicted the other day. Member seats are far side or rear in the Orchestra, because LCT latched into this to fill the hole left by moving “Camelot” to Spring. And there’s Audra McDonald as the draw, so the other producers (a huge thanks for nothing to Jeffrey Richards) want to hold onto those premium seats for the highest price. Typical LCT tactics because they don’t care about their members. | |
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| re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 11:57 am EDT 09/04/22 | |
| In reply to: re: LCT Members “MURDERED” at OHIO STATE presale - aislestorm 12:17 pm EDT 09/01/22 | |
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| I was able to get first row front mezzanine tickets, not too far house left. Those were the only tickets I would consider. It’s possible at some point better seats will become available if the show doesn’t sell out. I don’t think it will. |
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