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| There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: kieran 11:18 pm EST 11/16/22 | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:36 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - kieran 11:18 pm EST 11/16/22 | |
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| Has this ever happened before? I can’t imagine how Beanie feels. | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: conciergekey 12:30 pm EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - KingSpeed 01:36 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Beanie was completely wrong for the show and even she probably knew it. Broadway is a business. The show is there to recoup. With Lea, it will. |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Last Edit: Zelgo 08:30 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - KingSpeed 01:36 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| It was done for Kiss of the Spider Woman with Vanessa Williams, Chita's replacement. For that, I think only Spider Woman's vocals were replaced, but everything else stayed the same. I would imagine producers would do the same for this Funny Girl recording instead of paying to re-record the entire show again. |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: Thom915 12:22 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| To the best of my knowledge , this revival has not been recorded so this will have to be the entire show with Lea and Tovah and the other principals who remain. | |
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| That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:47 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Kiss recorded Chita first. Has there been a situation where the original wasn’t recorded but the replacement 6 months later was? | |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:14 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: That’s not what I’m talking about - KingSpeed 02:47 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| I saw your question last night and I didn't answer because I couldn't think of an example of what it seemed to me you were asking about. Kiss of the Spider Woman clearly is not an example, as you say, which was why I didn't answer. Nor did I mention those shows where a deal was not made until some original cast members had left, nor those shows where a leading player did not appear on a cast recording because that person was signed to a different label. Here it seems clear that no cast recording was made because it's a revival and the lead did not receive strong enough reviews, and we have a classic recording with the original lead giving a beloved and dazzling performance. If, as mentioned below, Beanie Feldstein herself did not want to make a cast recording, it may well have had to do with the reviews. So it was clear to me what you were asking. |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:00 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - AlanScott 03:14 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Thanks. It's so strange. They never had Beanie sing on morning shows or make a cast recording. It's like they knew she wasn't a good singer and cast her anyway. It is so weird that Lea wasn't cast initially. Was it too obvious a choice for the creative team? I don't know. I can't imagine Beanie did NOT want to make a recording. I would think that would be part of the dream she so often talked about. But I don't know. | |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 02:57 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: That’s not what I’m talking about - KingSpeed 02:47 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| I'm not sure about six months later, but situations in shows like The Tap Dance Kid, Promenade, Song of Singapore and probably other shows where the original performer left and the replacement actor was on the cast album. Cast recordings have not always been made immediately after opening. | |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:02 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - BroadwayTonyJ 02:57 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Oh that's interesting. I was always under the impression that in the past, the recording was always made on the Monday after opening but that Dreamgirls bucked that trend and took more time making it. | |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 08:46 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:44 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - KingSpeed 03:02 am EST 11/18/22 | |
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| Traditionally, that was certainly the case for many, perhaps for most shows, but there were exceptions now and then. Back in the 50's and 60's cast album LPs actually made money. Labels competed for the right to record shows like My Fair Lady, Hello, Dolly!, Follies, and countless others. Gradually that started to change -- I'm not sure exactly when. I would assume that a recording can not be made until the costs have been covered. For example, the OBC album of Jason Robert Brown's Parade was recorded on Mar. 1, 1999, even though the show opened on Dec. 17, 1998 and closed on Feb. 28, 1999. Today it's pretty rare for a cast recording physical CD to actually be profitable. I assume that is why many scores in recent years have been getting a digital release only. |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:23 am EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - BroadwayTonyJ 08:44 am EST 11/18/22 | |
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| I miss physical CDs ... and record stores. (Sigh!) Ordering online isn't as fun as browsing through bins of CDs or records. | |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:57 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - BroadwayTonyJ 02:57 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| And famously (and tragically) “Grand Hotel”. But this does seem to be a first. |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 03:56 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:54 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - BroadwayTonyJ 02:57 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| It doesn't fit KingSpeed's criteria, but ''Rags'' released an ''Original Broadway Cast Recording,'' starring Julia Migenes, and not Teresa Stratas. Stratas got a Tony nomination and won a Drama Desk Award for ''Rags,'' even though it ran for only 18 previews and 4 performances in 1986. And even tho' it closed Aug. 23, 1986, it seems to be the rare long-shuttered musical that got to perform live at the following Tonys. Trivia: Wikipedia says Working Title Film acquired film rights to ''Rags'' in 1996, but it's been in ''development hell'' ever since. And to bring this full circle, guess who was reportedly in talks to play Saul and Bella? Daniel Day-Lewis and Beanie Feldstein (!). |
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| re: That’s not what I’m talking about | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 06:32 pm EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: That’s not what I’m talking about - WaymanWong 03:54 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| I think also in this category is the Classic Stage Passion. Rebecca Luker (who never performed in this production of the show) replaced Melissa Errico on the recording. | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 10:40 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| But the question isn't if they've ever made a 2nd cast recording after the original stars left... that is rare but it has happened a few times before (including Wonderful Town revival with Brooke Shields, for some reason) ... it's has there ever before been a Broadway musical where it didn't get a cast recording UNTIL the replacement cast. | |
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| KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 09:47 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Actually the first recording with Rivera, Carver, Crivello, Louise, Carnahan, and others was the London cast recording, but was called simply ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING. It was recorded in London in Oct., 1992. The label was RCA Victor. The 2nd recording was made in New York in Dec., 1994 with the revival cast including Williams, McGillin, Mitchell, Turque, Carnahan, and others. It was called NEW BROADWAY CAST RECORDING. The label was Mercury. Two completely different recordings. |
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| re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:44 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - BroadwayTonyJ 09:47 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| This is not the question. Chita was allowed to make a cast recording before Williams was. Beanie was not. This is an entirely different situation. As if the Mary Martin recording of Dolly was the first one, and there was never a Carol Channing recording. | |
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| re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 01:03 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - Chromolume 12:44 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Huh? Please re-read Zelgo's post. I was responding to this statement: "I think only Spider Woman's vocals were replaced, but everything else remained the same." Zelgo has already acknowledged that this statement was incorrect. |
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| re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:12 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - BroadwayTonyJ 01:03 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Sorry. I wasn't reading the thread in order. I actually spoke to the number of transpositions made on the 2nd recording, so yes, it was all newly recorded. Also, the Broadway orchestra is tighter (and the trumpet section has a better time with the "Where You Are" dance break). |
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| BLOOD BROTHERS Recordings | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 01:30 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 01:28 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - Chromolume 01:12 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| No problem. I tried to be as careful as possible with my wording, but despite several edits I still mistyped "revival" instead of "replacement". Regarding the various Blood Brothers recordings, there was never an OBC album, but three of the replacement leads -- Petula Clark, David Cassidy, and Shaun Cassidy -- made a comprehensive album of the score in 1995 some time after leaving the show. It was called "The International Recording." Ironically also in 1995 three of the original Broadway leads -- Stephanie Lawrence, Warwick Evans, and Mark Hutchinson -- while apparently in a London revival of the show, made another cast recording of the score under the First Night label. It was called simply "London Cast." |
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| Should Read: "replacement cast" and not "revival cast" (nmi) | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 12:24 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - BroadwayTonyJ 09:47 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 11:53 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - BroadwayTonyJ 09:47 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Thanks for the correction. Maybe it was the Brooke Shield's Wonderful Town where they just replaced the existing vocals with hers. Anyone recall? |
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| I think you're thinking of the Brooke Shields Grease! recording. | |
| Posted by: DanielVincent 04:29 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN -- 2 Cast Recordings - Zelgo 11:53 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| I don't know about Wonderful Town, though I think, at the very least, Jennifer Hope Wills also recorded her Eileen along with Shields's Ruth. But when they released "the Newest Broadway Cast Recording" of the Weisslers' Grease!, they just dubbed in Shields over Rosie O'Donnell. | |
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| re: I think you're thinking of the Brooke Shields Grease! recording. | |
| Last Edit: Ann 04:54 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:53 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: I think you're thinking of the Brooke Shields Grease! recording. - DanielVincent 04:29 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Yes, the second Wonderful Town cast recording was released with Brooke Shields and Jennifer Hope Wills. | |
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| But... | |
| Posted by: Ijest22 09:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| There’s no original recording of the revival cast to use, is there? They haven’t recorded the revival at all, have they? | |
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| My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Last Edit: gad90210 09:38 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: gad90210 09:37 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: But... - Ijest22 09:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| did not want a cast recording, so this one will be the first for this production. | |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:50 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: My understanding is that Beanie... - gad90210 09:37 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| I doubt that it wouldn’t be her choice to make. There are other actors in the show. | |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: My understanding is that Beanie... - gad90210 09:37 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| well... this may be true but... It is not up to a cast member. My guess is that no one wanted one either for the obvious reason or because the whole death spiral had already started by the time the might otherwise have been doing it. |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 11:57 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: My understanding is that Beanie... - ryhog 10:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Don't OBC cast recordings usually occur in the first few weeks of opening? I would imagine that all the arrangements were made already if a recording was scheduled at all. Any vocal deficiencies Beanie had in the theatre could easily be fixed with studio magic. That said, my guess is the whole concept of OBC is dying and that is what prevented the Beanie version from being recorded in the first place. |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:16 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: My understanding is that Beanie... - Zelgo 11:57 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| As I am fond of saying, there are no rules. Someone has to come up with the money. Sometimes that's a no brainer. Other times it is more of a wait and see. If the demand is not there, sweetening someone's voice is not going to make a difference. And while there is no question that the OBC demand is not what it once was, the fact that we are getting a recording now tells us that the dying concept is the determining factor. | |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: ablankpage 10:04 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: My understanding is that Beanie... - gad90210 09:37 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| That's so interesting if it was her own decision. Do you know why she didn't want one? | |
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| re: My understanding is that Beanie... | |
| Posted by: Delvino 10:08 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: My understanding is that Beanie... - ablankpage 10:04 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Because her Fanny emphacized "the comedy?" Remember? Seriously, was that the reason? | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: duckylittledictum 08:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Zelgo 08:25 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| And the Wonderful Town and Grease revivals got second albums with Brooke Shields. Can't believe she was such a big name then. | |
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| But… | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 02:48 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - duckylittledictum 08:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| …the originals were recorded in those cases. | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 10:04 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 10:03 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - duckylittledictum 08:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Recording the Shields iteration of Wonderful Town -- she's not known for her vocal prowess -- struck me as an odd decision. But, different era. | |
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| Brooke Shields in WONDERFUL TOWN | |
| Last Edit: JereNYC 11:54 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 11:53 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - Delvino 10:03 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| What you have to remember is that that revival of WONDERFUL TOWN was troubled due to Donna Murphy's illness. Murphy had gottern stellar reviews, but her illness meant that she rarely went on as Ruth. The show was all over the gossip columns of the time because the producers were trying to hide that Murphy was, essentially, out of the show and not coming back. Murphy was even forbidden from discussing publicly what was going on and it impacted her reputation for quite a while afterward. When Shields came in, it was a complete relaunch of the production, on par with what's happened at FUNNY GIRL this season. And Shields was TERRIFIC and delivered a wonderful performance AND managed to carry the show in a way that she didn't have to do in her other Broadway outings (her Sally in the CABARET revival was also very under-rated...seriously...she found an approach that I never saw any other actress in that production attempt). I can't imagine that anyone would have ever thought of Shields as the less attractive, less desirable sister in any pairing, but she is also very tall and used that to create a gawky, awkward character that you believed had been sidelined her whole life in favor of her younger sister. And you believed that her Ruth had been told all her life that Eileen was the pretty one. It was remarkable. And, yes, Shields is not the world's finest vocalist, but she's always been very canny about choosing her musical roles, and Ruth, like Rizzo, like Sally, like Morticia doesn't require that. This is a role written for Rosalind Russell's limited range and Shields aquitted herself nicely. I was glad to see them put out a cast album with her and Wills. I think more people would have had the chance to see Shields as Ruth than Murphy. |
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| re: Brooke Shields in WONDERFUL TOWN | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 05:12 pm EST 11/18/22 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:09 pm EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Brooke Shields in WONDERFUL TOWN - JereNYC 11:53 am EST 11/18/22 | |
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| Not to take away from most of the basic points you are making, but more people would not have had the chance to see Brooke Shields in Wonderful Town than saw Donna Murphy. Previews started on November 5, 20003. Murphy played her last performance on August 28 or 29, 2004, if what I find online is correct (and it is at least close to correct), four weeks before her contract was over, leaving early. During the time she did play in the show, I think she missed around 60-70 performances because I think it was said that she had missed 100 altogether, but that was including the last weeks when she was completely gone. If so, that would mean she played around 260-270 performances in the role. Shields took over on September 28, 2004, and the production closed on January 30, 2005. If she missed no performances, she would have played 144 performances, barring the possibility that the show played nine performances for a week or two around Christmas-New Year's. I saw both of them in the role. I saw Murphy during previews, before her vocal problems started. I thought neither of them was altogether ideal in the role, but Shields was probably a bit better, despite being miscast physically. Alexis Smith, a similar physical type to Shields, played the role in stock in 1957. |
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| re: Brooke Shields in WONDERFUL TOWN | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 08:38 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Brooke Shields in WONDERFUL TOWN - AlanScott 05:09 pm EST 11/18/22 | |
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| Thanks for all that info. My memory, obviously, faulty, was that Murphy started missing performances in WONDERFUL TOWN soon after the opening, starting with 1 or 2 in the week and eventually not appearing at all. I'd have loved to have seen Alexis Smith in the role. Also Carol Channing, who replaced Russell, who was also tall, but not the glamour girl of Smith and Shields. |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 09:41 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - duckylittledictum 08:32 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| The MY FAIR LADY revival did a mini-album with four songs from Laura Benanti. | |
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| re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. | |
| Posted by: mattyp4 12:34 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - carolinaguy 09:41 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| And the most recent revival of How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying put out a digital EP with Nick Jonas' vocals when he took over the lead. | |
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| funny she called it an "original cast album" | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:14 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: There’ll be a new “Funny Girl” cast recording. - kieran 11:18 pm EST 11/16/22 | |
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| Pickiness about that term being used for a revival aside... this isn't even the original cast of this revival. | |
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| re: funny she called it an "original cast album" | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 05:07 am EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: funny she called it an "original cast album" - Chazwaza 01:14 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| Just be grateful she didn't call it a soundtrack. | |
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| re: funny she called it an "original cast album" | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:03 am EST 11/18/22 | |
| In reply to: re: funny she called it an "original cast album" - TheHarveyBoy 05:07 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| hahaha! | |
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| re: funny she called it an "original cast album" | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 12:45 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:45 pm EST 11/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: funny she called it an "original cast album" - TheHarveyBoy 05:07 am EST 11/17/22 | |
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| There already is a soundtrack, lol. But of course there's also already an original cast recording. | |
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