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| The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:03 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: Favorite Flop recordings you play a lot (that haven't had many revival "second chances") - PlayWiz 01:02 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| The Life was certainly not a flop, certainly not a "short" run... but it has had almost no life in America since Broadway (the less said about the recent Encores revision the better). It's an incredible and fabulous score given a fantastic original cast album... and since I discovered it in 1998, I have no idea how many times I've listened to it or sung to it in the car. It's hard to count shows that were at non-profits for short scheduled runs... but Women on the Verge was on Broadway and has had little life in America since. A wonderful score. Dessa Rose was off-broadway at LCT but given that it's Ahrens & Flaherty, and what I consider easily in their top 3 scores (their new show I haven't heard yet)... I think it counts for this subject. It's an incredible score. And of course famous flop Rags hasn't had much life since. Nor was The Rothschilds, which has a fabulous score too. |
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| Women on the Verge was far better in London... | |
| Posted by: DanielVincent 12:31 am EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - Chazwaza 07:03 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| ...where it wasn't so overproduced. And even though Tamsin Greig was still not the ideal Peppa, at least she was not, as LuPone said in her memoir, "a travesty of a leading lady." | |
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| re: Women on the Verge was far better in London... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:22 am EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: Women on the Verge was far better in London... - DanielVincent 12:31 am EST 11/20/22 | |
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| I haven't read the memoir... that is what LuPone said about S.R. Scott?!! | |
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| re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:36 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - Chazwaza 07:03 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| I saw the original production of The Rothschilds (with some replacements in the cast) and it was terrific. But if The Life at 466 performances is hardly a flop, is The Rothschilds at 507 even less of a flop (although it closed at a substantial loss)? The Rothschilds got a national tour, a stock tour, and an Off-Broadway revival that ran 13 months (counting the initial run and the commercial transfer together). The downsized revision is truly a diminution of a piece that demands to be epic. |
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| re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 08:16 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:10 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - AlanScott 07:36 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| Very fair. Neither were flops at all. Though I do think of Rothschilds as a bit of a flop recording since its time, because it is not celebrated, discussed or performed the way many others are (including by the same writers). Neither show had much major life since their initial Broadway run. But The Rothschilds did, much much more than The Life, but it's more than it is not done anymore and has been done much since I've been seeing musicals. But I also forgot about the off-broadway production in 1990 and the well received 2015 revision at the York retitled "Rothschild and Sons". | |
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| re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:58 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - Chazwaza 08:10 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| I’ve always thought of The Life as a flop. I didn’t know it ran a whole year. | |
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| re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:39 am EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - KingSpeed 04:58 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| It also won the Drama Desk for Best Musical, and Outer Critics Circle, and Drama League. It may not mean much, but hey, in the 80s and 90s Drama Desk gave it to Sunday over La Cage, Into the Woods over Phantom, Secret Garden over Will Rogers Follies, Ragtime over Lion King, Parade won it even without Fosse nominated (it beat A New Brain and The Civil War). Interestingly, in 1997 Titanic wasn't nominated by DD... The Life won against Steel Pier and Violet. Titanic wasn't in a different year, it seems to just not have been nominated. |
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| The Visit too | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:21 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - Chazwaza 07:03 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| Great score. Hasn't been too too long since it was on broadway... but it still hasn't had much life since then, and it should. | |
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| re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose | |
| Posted by: ilw 07:11 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - Chazwaza 07:03 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| So glad you mentioned Women on the Verge, one of my favorite scores of this century. | |
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| Ditto | |
| Posted by: Ann 07:27 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
| In reply to: re: The Life, The Rothschilds, Rags, Women on the Verge, Dessa Rose - ilw 07:11 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| And Amour is my other favorite modern-day flop. | |
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| Christopher Fitzgerald in "Amour" | |
| Posted by: DanielVincent 12:26 am EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: Ditto - Ann 07:27 pm EST 11/19/22 | |
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| When I saw Amour, Christopher Fitzgerald was simultaneously absurd and sincere and so damn hilarious beyond description when he delivered "The Advocate's Plea" that I thought I was watching the first performance of someone who would go on to be the preeminent musical theatre clown of his generation. His performance on the recording is lovely, but doesn't capture what a showstopper it was live, perhaps because he is such a gifted physical comedian. Fitzgerald has had a lovely career, but he certainly hasn't become a musical theatre "star," even amongst ardent theatergoers. Nevertheless, I think he's brilliant and has deserved much more. |
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| re: Christopher Fitzgerald in "Amour" | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:55 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: Christopher Fitzgerald in "Amour" - DanielVincent 12:26 am EST 11/20/22 | |
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| Minsky’s should’ve been Chris’ star making vehicle but it didn’t come in. | |
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