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| Posted by: NewtonUK 02:00 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - PlayWiz 11:12 am EST 11/20/22 | |
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| I know it wasnt a flop. Just forgotten. ANd Encores has resolutely refused to consider doing it. I know there is an effort in place to 'fix'; a few things in the book - nothing major - just a few VERY un PC lyrics. and some plot confusion. | |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:53 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - NewtonUK 02:00 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| Jack Viertel apparently just didn't like it. At a party held at City Center after the season some years ago, I even suggested the very capable (and very nice!) Karen Ziemba would be great for "Redhead" to him in her presence; she said "oooh, Redhead!" but he just wasn't enthused about the show. Other people would pitch shows to him at events like that. I once suggested Bette Midler for "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" before it was done there. He said she'd be great, but suggested there would be problems in getting her or dealing with her (or affording her) for the short time period of production, I seem to recall. She'd have been wonderful in the Shirley Booth role. | |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 08:30 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - PlayWiz 02:53 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| I saw a concert style production of REDHEAD and was so disappointed. I mean, I was not expecting anyone approaching Verdon, but from the material I saw, the score is infinitely better than the book. In comparison, I saw a similar concert ONE TOUCH OF VENUS, and while the jokes were corny as hell, they were landing with a power that REDHEAD lacked. Laura in LA, who had written a long, long post this morning about her favorite flops and 18th century French plays, but her post timed out and the whole fricking thing was lost—lost, I tell you!—and she’s trying to get the energy to redo the whole thing—and is taking notes on How Not To Lose Long, Complicated ATC Posts from the discussion below |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:01 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 10:45 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - showtunetrivia 08:30 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| But you didn't see the effect of the original show with Verdon, which included Fosse's choreography (plus his first directing gig which Verdon insisted upon), and also Tony winning performances from Richard Kiley and Leonard Stone, which apparently made this a real treat. Not many murder musical comedies had been attempted to that point. I've never seen a production, and I'm not expecting an intricately plotted Agatha Christie or Arthur Conan Doyle work. Once Verdon attached to this show (after having already won 3 Tonys), it became a vehicle very much for her. I think besides the Karen Ziemba suggestion I mentioned in the thread for more recent years, that someone like Sandy Duncan might have been marvelous in the role. I'm not sure if toured or did stock much without Verdon (who looks like had "I'll Try" removed from the tour). But the difficulty of casting a star dancing lady of Verdon's triple-threat ability, combined with the kind of sensitivity and lovability she radiated, has made revivals hard to approximate how wonderful I've heard the original described. I appreciate your and keikekaze's attempts to try to reconstruct your original lost/timed out apparently lengthy responses. |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 11:36 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - PlayWiz 10:45 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| Redhead did tour successfully and then had at least two summer-stock tours as well as productions at such venues as the Muny, Paper Mill and I think at least a few others. | |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 10:53 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 10:44 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - showtunetrivia 08:30 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| sorry - this posted as a duplicate before when I edited the above. But since it's here, I love "Greenwillow", most of "Steel Pier" in addition to ones I've mentioned before, and I'm probably forgetting some. "Pipe Dream" has a mostly fine score, and that's considered one of Rodgers & Hammerstein's biggest flops. Love listening to how well Judy Tyler's voice kept up with Wagnerian Helen Traubel in duet. |
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| re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 11:01 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: A trio of contemporary recordings and one "classic" - PlayWiz 10:44 pm EST 11/20/22 | |
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| I tried to take that into account, PlayWiz. The ONE TOUCH OF VENUS I mentioned also didn’t have full choreography. I understand that a Verdon type star and full Fosse choreography could elevate damn near anything to a considerable degree. It was the book that just didn’t land with me: not the way the plot developed, or the way the characters interacted (some of that was downright cringe-worthy). The material was weak. Laura in LA |
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