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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. | |
| Posted by: theaterisok 09:48 am EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. - BarryJ 05:50 am EST 11/21/22 | |
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| Hemingway was an alcoholic. What is his point other than be gossipy? | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 02:19 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. - theaterisok 09:48 am EST 11/21/22 | |
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| Why not? For the sake of history, we want to understand as much as we can about major world figures. Sondheim was an alcoholic. We have to stop looking at it as a moral failing but as a disease, addiction. Did it affect his work and relationships? It will take lots of analysis to determine. Without that fact, we could be ignoring a major part of who he was. |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 06:13 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:12 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. - Zelgo 02:19 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| "Sondheim was an alcoholic." Only according to Mr. Feinstein so far, it would seem. Do we have other evidence? Do we believe Feinstein outright? |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 07:50 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. - Chromolume 06:12 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| Well, I suppose we can only assuming he is making such a statement based on observation--which should remind us that we often make inferences about other people's addictions based on our observations--such as addicition to bad cosmetic surgery, to pick a random example. | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: bmc 06:41 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim. - Chromolume 06:12 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| Several years back I attended a concert performance of PORGY AND BESS at Ann arbor's hill auditorium .Earlier in the day there was a lecture/ discussion hosted by Lee Gershwin s two nephews. I was having a pleasant discussion afterward with one of the nephews, and i said Sondheim 2 books were like Ira Gershwin's LYRICS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. I Conversation ended. He walks of in a huff, saying he(Sondheim) is psychotic;.No love between Gershwin circles and Mr Sondheim/ | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:07 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - bmc 06:41 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| are you able to place this event in time in relation to Sondheim's very vocal disparagement of (some would say tantrum about) the Gershwin estate's handling of Porgy on Broadway in 2012? That might explain a lot. I try to judge people on their achievements, not their deficits. I don't know if or when this might have been a Sondheim demon. Rumors (all sorts), he had a few (to mix metaphors pretty badly), and that there is a backstory (or a few) with Feinstein seems palpable. Do we care? To me this says more about MF than SS. | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: Rookie 11:03 am EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - ryhog 09:07 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| Could you possibly recall the date of this encounter? That is, before or after Sondheim criticized the title "The Gershwin's Porgy and Bess," which was the billing for the 2012 Bway production? | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Last Edit: Seth Christenfeld 09:59 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| Posted by: Seth Christenfeld (tabula-rasa@verizon.net) 09:59 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - ryhog 09:07 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| I imagine it was less about Sondheim's (understandable) disparagement of the Porgy and Bess revival and more about his open distaste for Ira Gershwin as a lyricist, as noted in the Hat books. Seth, not about to go digging them out for a citation |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:06 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - Seth Christenfeld 09:59 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| You def don't need to. I just wonder if the nephew would have been that looped in to that. I'd think they would definitely be angry about the other but I don't pretend to know that. | |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: bmc 11:01 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - ryhog 10:06 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| sorry, i cant remember if it was before or after the Gershwin porgy and Bess,on bway i think either would have been sufficient' .Sondheim mentioned that all the good lyrics in Act one were the work of DuBose Heyward. at any rate, the nephew was very p.o.,d |
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| re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:53 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Michael Feinstein on Sondheim./feinstein was in the Gershwin orbit - bmc 11:01 pm EST 11/21/22 | |
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| The fact that the Gershwin estate decided to unequivocally shut out the massive contribution of Heyward should be literally criminal. I've never understood that decision. Sondheim was right. | |
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