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| Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Last Edit: carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| The category was Musical Theater. The answer was, "The pair at the center of tumult in this long-running show were originally going to be a Jewish girl & a Catholic boy." I guess my theater nerdiness is showing, because I thought it was a gimme, but only one of the contestants correctly answered WEST SIDE STORY. One guessed FIDDLER ON THE ROOF, which I suppose makes a modicum of sense. Cris Pannullo, the champion, guessed TONY & TINA'S WEDDING (?) but he had a runaway anyway so it didn't matter as he won his 12th game. I wonder if they were maybe thrown a bit by the "long-running" in the clue? The original production ran 732 performances, which isn't a notably long run, whereas FIDDLER and T&T are associated with long runs. It just seems odd to me that someone would know about TONY & TINA'S WEDDING yet still miss WSS. But then I'm not standing on the Alex Trebek stage with a clock counting down. |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: davei2000 06:52 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| That IS a gimme, but the average J! contestant has long been woefully uninformed in theater. Thank goodness the writers love it. My guess: Cris was dragged at some point in his life to a production of Tony & Tina's Wedding, he's never seen West Side Story. To be fair, he was able to correctly identify what "stays mainly in the plain," earlier in the game... |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:05 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| I am doubtful that the question of whether it was long-running would have caused anyone who would have gotten the answer to therefore miss it. I would also say that in the context of the 1950s, it was definitely long-running. The clue did not say that it was one of the longest-running ever. |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: davei2000 07:39 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - AlanScott 05:05 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| Alan, would you say that the "return engagement" that IBDB lists as opening in 1960 with the original stars, should be added to the performance total of WSS's long run? | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 08:33 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - davei2000 07:39 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| Funny you should ask. I wrote a long version of the post in which I discussed that. I tend to think it should at least be mentioned in a discussion of the run, although I would not give the run as 981 performances. It does remain the longest return engagement in Broadway history, by a good distance, and if you do count 981, then the production is in the top 10 among 1950s Broadway musicals. I think it's no. 8. | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: BobPlak 11:15 am EST 11/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - AlanScott 08:33 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| And it's interesting to note that even with the return added in Sondheim remains (I think) the only major Broadway composer/lyricist of his era not to have a show that ran 1,000 performances. Jerry Herman had 3! | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 02:52 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - BobPlak 11:15 am EST 11/24/22 | |
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| Betty Comden and Adolph Green were also never associated with a show that ran more than 1,000 performances. Neither was Leonard Bernstein or Cy Coleman. | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: BobPlak 06:49 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - keikekaze 02:52 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
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| Were you by any chance sending me a psychic message last night? As I was trying to fall asleep I was rethinking my statement and I thought, "OMG -- there were Comden and Green ... and Bernstein ... and Cy Coleman." If you were sending me the message -- I got it -- and thank you! |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 08:24 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - BobPlak 06:49 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
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| You're welcome! I was probably too soused after Thanksgiving dinner Thursday night to send psychic messages to anyone--but you never know! ; ) | |
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| Long Running Comden & Green Broadway Shows | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:09 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - keikekaze 02:52 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
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| You're technically correct. However, The Will Rogers Follies ran for 981 (official) performances and 33 previews for a total of 1014 showings. Therefore, the show was performed 1014 times at the Palace theatre. Applause had a total run of 896 performances and 4 previews so the show was performed 900 times at the Palace. Bells Are Ringing ran for 924 performances at the Shubert and Alvin Theatres. Both shows were considered long running hits for their era. |
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| re: Long Running Comden & Green Broadway Shows | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 08:32 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
| In reply to: Long Running Comden & Green Broadway Shows - BroadwayTonyJ 03:09 pm EST 11/25/22 | |
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| You're also correct that The Will Rogers Follies did play more than 1,000 performances on Broadway, counting the previews. To this day it never occurs to me to include the previews in calculating the run of any Broadway show. This is because I'm so old I can remember the era when previews were relatively rare (they only started becoming common in the Sixties), and the theater reference books of that era never included previews in what was given as "the run." So I tend to forget about them. I believe Variety and I know IBDb still tally the previews and "the performances" separately. | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:17 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - BobPlak 11:15 am EST 11/24/22 | |
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| Yes, I have thought about that. Are you thinking about teams or just composer-lyricists? Forum at least came close, with no footnote needed about a return engagement, but still not quite. It remains a sadness that neither Maltby and Shire nor Grossman and Hackady, two teams who had plenty of talent and skill, never had a hit Broadway musical. Had Love Match made it to Broadway, Maltby and Shire might have gotten hired for more Broadway shows earlier, even though Love Match surely would have failed. But it would have left behind a great cast recording, had there been one. Ditto for How Do You Do I Love You. Grossman and Hackady, of course, had their chances, but didn't get the right shows. Always shows about the wrong character! |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: BobPlak 06:56 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - AlanScott 06:17 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
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| Well, I was thinking about any composer or lyricist who was active during the alleged post-"Oklahoma!" "golden age" and somewhat beyond. Actually, I have to take it back, because I'd certainly consider Harold Arlen to be a major composer and his longest-running show was "Bloomer Girl" at only 654 performances. But it remains surprising that someone of Sondheim's stature never hit the 1,000 mark. As Hamlet said on the subject: "... the play, I remember, pleased not the million; 'twas caviare to the general: but it was an excellent play, well digested in the scenes, set down with as much modesty as cunning." |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: davei2000 09:48 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - AlanScott 08:33 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| Thanks. I'll still read that long post! | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: StanS 03:06 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| "But then I'm not standing on the Alex Trebek stage with a clock counting down" To say nothing of the theme music blaring, which would be enough to ruin my ability to think. |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: michael 02:28 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| I thought the inclusion of "long-running show" in the clue was downright inaccurate. On Wikipedia's list of Broadway's longest running shows (122 shows are listed there), West Side Story is nowhere to be found. | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: StanS 03:04 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - michael 02:28 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| Maybe they didn't mean the original run. It's been running constantly "Somewhere" since 1957. That's pretty long. | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: aislestorm 11:49 am EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - carolinaguy 11:27 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| The first thing to pop into my head was 🎼🎵🎶 “The Goyim’s gonna have their way tonight” |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: HunterHailey 12:12 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - aislestorm 11:49 am EST 11/23/22 | |
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| Goy, goy, crazy goy . . . | |
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| re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: aislestorm 01:02 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - HunterHailey 12:12 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| The Jets vs. the Gefilte | |
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| When You're A Goy | |
| Posted by: Genealley 02:30 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Last night's Final Jeopardy! (Spoiler) - aislestorm 01:02 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| When You're A Goy You're A Goy all the way We say: "Cool" and "Go Boy" But never "Oy vey"! |
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| Or in an alternative universe... | |
| Posted by: peter3053 02:52 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: When You're A Goy - Genealley 02:30 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| From "Fiddler on the Block", that immortal wedding song.... Gang war, bloodshed, Gang war, bloodshed, New kids deemed a threat! Rumbles and "Daddios" and dancing - Tell me, who'd ever be a Jet! |
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| Gang war? A goy like that woulud kill your brother ... (nm) | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:12 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Or in an alternative universe... - peter3053 02:52 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| See that pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty girl in that mirror there. (nm) | |
| Posted by: keywslt 01:09 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
| In reply to: Gang war? A goy like that woulud kill your brother ... (nm) - WaymanWong 03:12 pm EST 11/23/22 | |
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| nm | |
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| ....In A Dress | |
| Posted by: Genealley 05:17 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
| In reply to: See that pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty girl in that mirror there. (nm) - keywslt 01:09 pm EST 11/24/22 | |
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| Homage to my favorite (and VERRRRY Goy) DIANA. | |
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