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| Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I was curious to see how well Some Like It Hot (which I saw in previews and loved!) was selling, after receiving generally strong hit-making reviews. Yet tomorrow, the first Saturday night post opening, is barely half sold --- and the balcony is almost empty. I'm sure TKTS will fill in some of those gaps, but pre-pandemic, wouldn't this have been a hit out of the block as soon as the reviews hit? It's had a month of previews that presumably generated strong word of mouth. If there was a hesitancy to see another "men in dresses" show, I'd have thought the reviews would have countered that. What gives? | |
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| Some Like It Hot, and loud apparently | |
| Posted by: wizrdofoz27 10:56 am EST 12/18/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I was diverted by SLIH this week, but I think this was my first Broadway musical in a while and wow, was that show LOUD. Sitting in the rear orch (under a speaker, granted) I wished I'd brought earplugs. I'm glad I saw it, if only for that riotous dance with the doors in Act II |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: fabjim50 11:01 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| What gives is that a lot of the older audience members that kept Broadway going for decades have not come back post pandemic, or they've died. This show hasn't caught on with tourists yet, but it likely will. They need to market it as a family friendly musical, which it is (for children over 12), and play up the fabulous reviews, the tap dancing and the "big Broadway musical" nature of the whole show. It will be nominated for multiple Tonys. What about the matinee ladies? Does the "matinee lady" still exist, or is that a relic of another time? Are there still Ladies Who Lunch? |
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| And what about Almost Famous? | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:08 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I see TC is selling through April 9. Is it selling well? Not good reviews and not good word of mouth (at least from what I can see - does the general public like it more?), and a famous title without the baggage of Some Like It Hot's title (how old it is, the men dressing as women thing, and without Marilyn Monroe). | |
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| TC? What show is that? The Collaboration? nmi | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:26 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: And what about Almost Famous? - Ann 03:08 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| I think she means Telecharge. nm | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 04:30 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: TC? What show is that? The Collaboration? nmi - BroadwayTonyJ 04:26 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| The Abbreviation TC | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:17 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: I think she means Telecharge. nm - Ncassidine 04:30 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Thank you. It was driving me crazy. The only current show that fit the abbreviation was The Collaboration, which is not a musical and isn't selling very well. I actually googled "TC" and found responses like "Take Care", Traffic Control", and a couple of very vulgar expressions for a certain type of teenage girl (or even guy). I don't think I should post them here, but they are the sort of phrases that would have resulted in me getting my mouth washed out with soap if I had said them at home when I was a teen. I can't imagine our moderator using them. |
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| Yep. nmi | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:56 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: I think she means Telecharge. nm - Ncassidine 04:30 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times IS THERE A PRECEDENT? | |
| Posted by: Theatergoer1978 12:28 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Has there ever been a big musical that got almost universal rave reviews but struggled like this at the box office? | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times IS THERE A PRECEDENT? | |
| Posted by: lanky 05:57 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times IS THERE A PRECEDENT? - Theatergoer1978 12:28 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Perhaps not analogous, since the show was a revival, but the recent revival of "On the Town" garnered strongly favorable reviews, then struggled for months at the box office and finally closed. Somewhat similarly, the last revival of "Carousel" got some good reviews, but also failed. This makes me wonder if audiences exist for musicals in the classic Broadway mold. "Some Like It Hot" sells on being a traditional Broadway musical, as well it is, some tweaks aside. My doctor is a house physician at Lincoln Center and he says the core audience that sold out Met productions has died off and no audience has materialized to take its place. Does a similar phenomenon pertains to Broadway? (Also, as someone suggests hereabouts, older theatergoers hesitate to return to the theater because of Covid fears and the relaxing of mask mandates. At the performance of "Some Like It Hot" that I attended Wednesday afternoon, I would guess well under fifty people wore masks.) | |
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| 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:05 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times IS THERE A PRECEDENT? - Theatergoer1978 12:28 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| I can't wait to see ''Some Like It Hot'' on my next trip. I'm a big fan of Shaiman and Wittman's work on ''Hairspray'' & ''Catch Me If You Can.'' But I just saw Christian Borle and J. Harrison Ghee do ''You Can't Have Me'' on ''GMA.'' Is it a showstopper at the Shubert? If I weren't already predisposed to catch it, this number wouldn't have wowed me enough to sell me on buying a ticket. |
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| Link | Cast of Broadway's 'Some Like It Hot' Perform Live in Times Square on 'GMA' |
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| re: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' | |
| Posted by: fabjim50 11:10 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' - WaymanWong 01:05 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Yes, it's a showstopper at the Shubert. The show is great, don't miss it. | |
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| re: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' | |
| Posted by: lanky 08:00 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' - WaymanWong 01:05 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Yes, the number gets a big hand. It reminded me of the numbers Gene Kelly and Donald O'Connor do in "Singin' in the Rain." | |
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| re: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:37 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' - lanky 08:00 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Boy, that number didn't remind me of Kelly and O'Connor's dynamic duos, like ''Fit as a Fiddle'' or ''Moses Supposes,'' at all. | |
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| re: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 01:28 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: 'Some Like It Hot': 'You Can't Have Me' on 'Good Morning America' - WaymanWong 01:05 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Yes, this number, the title number, Let's Be Bad, and You Could've Knocked Me Over With a Feather are all showstoppers. | |
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| Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: bythesea2007 06:42 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Has not been that favorable. I did not like the show. I thought the Woke issue was handled very well. My issue was the production numbers and choreography were almost all identical. And the jazzy score was just tuneless. Not sure if older theatergoers would. e interested and younger people--I doubt it. Hicks is very good but did not have star quality you expected from that role. The rest of the cast did their best but nothing clicked for me. Everything felt forced. I wish it well but unsure how it will make it after the holiday season. | |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: lanky 05:09 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - bythesea2007 06:42 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| "Word of mouth" is a vague, nebulous term. How many people must one interviewed for an accurate reflection of "word of mouth"? If you talk to ten people, is that a valid sample? If you talk to one hundred? | |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:31 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - lanky 05:09 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Ten is not enough, but 100 does give you a pretty good barometer of "word of mouth" about individual shows. I try to talk to at least 100 people, preferably total strangers, on every trip I make to New York. | |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: Circlevet 10:05 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - bythesea2007 06:42 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| We saw the same show. I agree about the music and choreography,, The songs were mostly indistinguishable from one another as were the dances. And Sugar had no vulnerability. | |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:13 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - bythesea2007 06:42 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I would say Hicks has undeniable talent... I didn't think she was "very good". She was actually a pretty notable hole in the show for me, when she should have been a bright star. And even where she is talented (singing), I felt her voice was the wrong fit for the role. Frankly someone like Jennifer Hudson would have been way better for this... someone with real star/diva presence, a voice that fits and astounds, and also not gonna bring too much as an actor so they're even there... and very importantly her name would sell tickets and bring a lot of attention to the show. I still don't get why they bothered to make this musical at all. But while I didn't love it... I did have a good time and would tell anyone interested to go. That's not the same as raving or telling people to go even if they hadn't expressed interest, but it's not discouraging people to go either. |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:38 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - Chazwaza 09:13 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Interesting; I don’t see Hudson. It’s a savvy ingenue-with-drive role the young Leslie Uggams might’ve played, who Hicks sometimes reminded me of. The one musical misfire - her eleven o’clock spot torch, “Ride Out the Storm” - doesn’t serve or land, despite a bravura vocal performance. But a quibble. She inherits a role that will forever be in the shadow of Monroe. Hicks mostly remints. | |
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| re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:37 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - Delvino 09:38 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Funny, the way she's written in this musical, I don't see her as an ingenue at all, even if you tack on with-drive. And yes it is frustratingly in the shadow of Monroe, and I don't think they succeeding in not making me miss or or understand how much that movie was built around her. |
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| It probably has enough reserves to stay open | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:56 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe Word of Mouth...... - bythesea2007 06:42 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| During slower winter unless ticket sales really dry up. I think it has very good chances for big wins at tony. But clearly, even winning best musical is no guarantee of a financial hit—A strange Loop. | |
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| "Hot" is basically unsold through December; this week, shocking | |
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| Posted by: Delvino 11:47 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: It probably has enough reserves to stay open - dramedy 07:56 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I just checked today's performances and glanced through the week. The mezz and balcony are basically unsold. About 1/3 of the orchestra remains unsold for a Saturday night. No one is buying the upper tiers, save the center of the first row. If you want to be shocked, look at the Wednesday matinee, December 21st. Only 1/4 of the orchestra is sold, bout 1/3 of the mezz, which looks like a theater party booking. Balcony, unsold. Wednesday and Friday nights are on TDF (mysteriously, not the wide open Wednesday afternoon). If you plan to see it, via discounting, go in December. |
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| re: It probably has enough reserves to stay open | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:14 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: It probably has enough reserves to stay open - dramedy 07:56 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| At this point I genuinely can't predict which has a better shot at winning Best Musical... Some Like It Hot or Kimberly Akimbo. | |
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| re: "At this point I genuinely can't predict which has a better shot at winning Best Musical" | |
| Posted by: Dale 09:24 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: It probably has enough reserves to stay open - Chazwaza 09:14 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| "New York, New York"? | |
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| re: "At this point I genuinely can't predict which has a better shot at winning Best Musical" | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:52 pm EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: "At this point I genuinely can't predict which has a better shot at winning Best Musical" - Dale 09:24 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| I guess that's possible. There's so much unknown about it, but you're right I won't count it out. I guess Shucked also has a shot, won't that be eligible? |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: HadriansMall 04:31 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Who knows why its not selling better? I can only speak for myself but I am just not excited about it - even though I really "should" be. I love the composer, I love an old-fashioned feeling Broadway show and I sit squarely in the camp that feels like this story needed a firm dose of 2022 perspective to even hope to succeed (and I am glad it got it) All that said - I have not yet bought a ticket for my trip in a few weeks. Though the reviews will probably push me over the edge eventually. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:41 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - HadriansMall 04:31 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| You gave us a lot of reasons you’re interested in seeing it. Can you pinpoint why you’re not? | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: HadriansMall 06:24 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| To be fair - no - not one definitive reason. I don't love Christian Borle - though I have enjoyed him in a few things (FALSETTOS). I miss shows with actually sets - everything I have seen seems to indicate this is played in some sort of nebulous. art-deco box. I don't know - just stating that I feel that I should be more excited than I am but I am not. I have also been burned by so many of these film to stage adaptions of late | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:18 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - HadriansMall 06:24 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| The Pask sets are lovely and ever changing; Barnes’s costumes are among his best, evocative as Hollywood glamor yet grounded when verisimilitude is required. The budget is all on view; the audience is privy to a built world, MGM and Broadway. No one is cheated. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: Delvino 03:54 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| There’s a whole thread on this below. Many of us are baffled and concerned. | |
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| Is it safe to assume that cheaper tickets are being moved down to better seats? | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 03:15 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I'm thinking of buying the cheapest ticket in the balcony. | |
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| re: Is it safe to assume that cheaper tickets are being moved down to better seats? | |
| Posted by: Michaels 03:39 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Is it safe to assume that cheaper tickets are being moved down to better seats? - pecansforall 03:15 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Not at all likely. The theater manager is the worst on Broadway, just an awful person and he likes to assert his authority. I think you'd have a good chance of getting rush ticket on the day...if you want to be certain, get there at 10. I know people were getting them virtually up to curtain at previews; I don't know if this is happening after opening. It's a wonderful show and you will have a great time as long as you avoid the theater manager. | |
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| Stop forcing woke down our throats | |
| Posted by: FinalPerformance 03:45 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Is it safe to assume that cheaper tickets are being moved down to better seats? - Michaels 03:39 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| It's a decent show but the romantic leads are that big a draw either. Sugar needed more to her than power Ballard's. | |
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| “Waaah! Stop subjecting me to shows that are both diverse *and* inclusive!” (nm) | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 08:41 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Alexis Solski’s review | |
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| Posted by: singleticket 11:52 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Stop forcing woke down our throats - FinalPerformance 03:45 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Not so much a critique of “woke” on Broadway as a critique of the banalization of woke via a Broadway musical… the weary pro forma aspect of it. |
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| Link | Some Like It Hot review – Broadway adaptation is lukewarm |
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| re: Alexis Solski’s review | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:17 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Alexis Solski’s review - singleticket 11:52 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| "attempt to bend the source material into shapes it doesn’t want to go. A lot of the songs sound like pastiches of other, better songs, like Let’s Be Bad, borrowed from Wittman and Shaiman’s Smash soundtrack and indebted to All That Jazz, or Ride Out the Storm, which wants to be Stormy Weather and isn’t. Some songs, like a couple of Hicks’s numbers, A Darker Shade of Blue and At the Old Majestic Nickel Matinee, shouldn’t be here at all." I actually agree with this. I enjoyed the show a lot, but many of the songs sounded like other shows or shouldn't be there at all. |
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| “… a beribboned road to truth” | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 12:15 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 12:14 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: Alexis Solski’s review - singleticket 11:52 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| From Solski’s review: Wokeness merely refers to an awareness of systemic bias and injustice, past and present, which any revival or new adaptation should have. Here Lopez and Ruffin have written Jerry/Daphne, Sugar and the bandleader Sweet Sue as shrewd expansions of the original. But in wanting to treat the comedy of men in dresses with greater care and sensitivity – a terrific goal in and of itself – changes the meaning of Some Like It Hot itself. The original, in its sophistication and ambivalence, is a celebration of disguise, of the quick wits, silver tongues and wild cheek that let Joe and Jerry juggle their multiple fictions. Yet in this version (as in López’s earlier play The Legend of Georgia McBride), drag becomes a means to self-acceptance, a beribboned road to truth. It’s scrupulousness that’s feted here, not the scam. Here’s the millionaire’s response to Daphne this time: “You’re perfect.” |
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| re: Stop forcing woke down our throats | |
| Posted by: Gregv212 05:01 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| What? | |
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| Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 04:56 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| It's also a word that has been co-opted by the radical right republican crew. Also it wouldn't be a bad idea to proof what you post as it is hard to decipher the mess you've made of both sentences of your message. |
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| re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:02 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? - ryhog 04:56 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Yes, but we don't like the idea of power Ballards? (OK, so it was Ballard's.) If that was spell-check, it's some pretty Broadway-oriented spell-check. |
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| re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 05:06 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? - AlanScott 05:02 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Kaye Ballard was pretty powerful as Rosalie in CARNIVAL! | |
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| re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:38 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? - NewtonUK 05:06 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| And, at this time of the year, don’t forget Lucille Ballard! | |
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| re: Woke means sensitive to social justice. Are you against that? | |
| Posted by: AnObserver 10:42 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Or the cinematographer Lucien Ballard. | |
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| re: Stop forcing woke down our throats | |
| Posted by: Commopics 03:53 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| How much wokeness do you think is in the show? It seems a few lines in the first act dealing with racism and then the biggest change, Jerry embracing their own Daphne in one number. The latter, to me, doesn't move the material in an unnatural direction from its premises. I assume it does for you. | |
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| re: Stop forcing woke down our throats | |
| Posted by: AnObserver 11:01 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Search for the Vulture (nymag.com) review. It addresses the "woke" issue from a different and intelligent viewpoint than Solski's. It says something like: "a work that's so defensive about its own existence." Not saying Solski isn't intelligent. |
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| What are you talking about? | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:49 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I think the adjustments to the plot are wonderful, and I applaud efforts made to be more inclusive. Especially when the person performing the role is non-binary. How does this ruin your day? And nothing is being forced. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I think it’s several things but ultimately that the material is just not of interest to the public. No urgency to see it. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- NO STARS= LOW SALES | |
| Posted by: champagnesalesman 04:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I loved it but tourists want to see stars... I also loved FAT HAM but I fear that will fare as poorly as AINT NO MO with no names..cruel as it may be, I wonder if they would consider swapping out some of the cast, excellent as they are..for some names. It is a business after all |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- NO STARS= LOW SALES | |
| Posted by: Ann 12:17 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- NO STARS= LOW SALES - champagnesalesman 04:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Are there a lot of Broadway shows right now, besides Music Man, with stars? | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- NO STARS= LOW SALES | |
| Posted by: writerkev 07:39 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- NO STARS= LOW SALES - Ann 12:17 am EST 12/17/22 | |
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| Not really, nor are there ever. Most new musicals that succeed do so without people the general public would call stars. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: taplady 04:29 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Even though most of the reviews were very positive, not everyone is leaving the theatre saying it's a must see, especially at a full price ticket. Discount ticket, sure - - - but that's the problem with the theatre model today. Unless a substantial number of the audience are paying full price (and now premium seats are factored into the budget), a big musical can hardly hang on to even try and build an audience. Too bad it has become this way - - - of course, producers can always write checks to cover losses which certainly has been done in the past, usually to no avail. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 03:07 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| That would be my guess, too. I haven't seen the show and am not feeling inclined to. Another unnecessary musical version of an old movie, and this one of an old movie of which we've already had one previous unnecessary musical version? I'll pass. Frankly, I never loved the original film all that much either. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: marco49 02:59 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| No urgency? How about, it’s a well written, well scored, well acted, well sung, well danced, feel good musical comedy????? | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: raregems 04:58 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - marco49 02:59 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| No question that there’s a ton of talent involved. But there needs to be a reason to present a piece at a certain time or place. I just think Some Like It Hot probably lacks that right now. I love Broadway but Some Like It Hot doesn’t much interest me either right now. And by now, ive spent my money on other shows. | |
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| What do you think? | |
| Posted by: Genealley 02:57 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - raregems 02:48 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Could it be; 1. Nobody buying tickets during this difficult (economically) Holiday season? 2. Subject matter too "woke" for the buying population? 3. Buyers want the original story and not a modernization? 4. Marilyn Monroe is dead? Your thoughts? |
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| re: What do you think? | |
| Posted by: raregems 05:00 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: What do you think? - Genealley 02:57 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Definitely | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 02:17 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I mean, it ran at 91% capacity last week. The average ticket price was pretty low ($70), and I don't know what the running costs are, but bringing in $742k in a week isn't bad. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 02:55 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - Ncassidine 02:17 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Since June 2009, percentage of capacity has included comps. Crazy, no? | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: FrenchDip 04:50 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - AlanScott 02:55 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Why shouldn't they include comps? Those seats are still considered "sold" as far as the box office is concerned, it's just that the price is $0. | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:57 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - FrenchDip 04:50 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| We can argue it, but if we are talking about how well a show is doing, and people point to percentage of capacity as a sign (as seems to be happening here), then it can be a misleading sign. And it wasn't done that way till June 2009. |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:09 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - AlanScott 04:57 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Seems to me there's no reason there can't be a layered figure... I think amount of seats that had a body watching the show is an important thing to know. Which of those were comp'd is also important. So is how many were bought at full price (or, perhaps, above a certain level of cost) or discounted. In the scheme of things is my $40 rush ticket really gonna matter compared to a $120 ticket in the row next to mine? So that different is important too. But also... capacity is capacity, and people in the house who didn't pay are still contributing to the capacity, and are still seeing the show. It's not part of the sales numbers but the body count of viewers is worth knowing too. If I get a comp it's not always true that I wouldn't have paid otherwise, or that I'm going to see it as a favor or obligation or whatever... how many people saw the show any given night matters on its own level. And that includes people who stood in the back. Hey, if previews don't count toward the length of the run for some insane reasoning, then sure, balance it out by counting comp seats as part of capacity even if they use capacity to mean tickets. |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 10:29 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - Chazwaza 09:09 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| No reason why they can't include comps, although I would like it if they also included tickets that were actually sold. The point is that if someone uses percentage of capacity as a way of saying that a show is doing well — especially if, as I think is the case here, it's for opening week — it is not necessarily a reliable indicator. That's all. A show might fill every seat, but 50 percent or so might be comps, and most of the rest might be discounted. So if we read that it played to 100 percent and say that it must therefore be doing well, we would likely be wrong (unless the nut was very low). | |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 02:50 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - Ncassidine 02:17 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| So that $742,000 gross gross nets down to around $670,000. With royalties, theatre share etc, it is likely not breaking even. | |
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| re: "It's had a month of previews that presumably generated strong word of mouth" | |
| Posted by: Dale 02:14 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Yes... "presumably". The word from the mouths I know weren't praise. |
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| re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 01:50 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - stevemr 01:34 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| The folks over at Kimberly Akimbo are asking the same thing, I'm sure. Admittedly a tougher overall sell due to the subject matter, but until three years ago, those reviews would have generated at least a few months of strong business. | |
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| Maybe it is the high cost of tickets | |
| Posted by: NJGUY 03:24 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some Like It Hot --- not like the pre-Pandemic times - carolinaguy 01:50 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I have been going to Broadway for over 50 years (I saw Sugar for $2 in the early 1970's) and though it has been mentioned repeatedly, Broadway and its ticket prices are for the rich and the tourists. Overall many millennials--the future of Broadway- (I have three of them, and one of my kids is trans) - have zero interest in this material. And many Boomers I know are currently not enamored with Broadway. It appears that Broadway does best with star casting (think Music Man and Funny Girl). As an avid theater goer, for me, it does not fill in any sort of need for buying tickets to it. Also -between the crowds and the traffic-Times Square is one of the most unpleasant parts of Manhattan to be in. For me, I would rather spend my $300 on 2-3 off-Broadway plays. | |
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| re: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets | |
| Posted by: raregems 06:33 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets - NJGUY 03:24 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| Agreed wholeheartedly | |
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| re: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets | |
| Posted by: schauspieler 04:11 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
| In reply to: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets - NJGUY 03:24 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I think that's definitely a factor. As recently as 5 or 10 years ago, if you heard about an upcoming high profile show you definitely wanted to see, you could buy advance tickets in excellent locations for normal, affordable prices. Now that's almost never possible. I also think the ever increasing numbers of the tripledemic are a factor. |
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| re: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets | |
| Posted by: mikem 08:46 am EST 12/17/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Maybe it is the high cost of tickets - schauspieler 04:11 pm EST 12/16/22 | |
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| I don't believe either Some Like It Hot or Kimberly Akimbo has a widely available discount. Before the pandemic, a struggling show typically had a discount. Now, it's TDF if you qualify, or something on that day or the day before: rush, lottery, or TKTS. I'm finding the lack of discounts confusing. Wouldn't a producer rather than someone locked-in well in advance? Ticketbuyers are being trained to wait until the last minute to buy a ticket. | |
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