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| What Broadway show will close next? | |
| Posted by: EagleMark 09:25 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| I'm going to be in town this week, trying to rank order which Broadway shows are likely to close sooner than later: - Kimberly Akimbo $502k gross last week, 15 actors, 8 in orchestra, on sale thru March 26 - Ohio State Murders, $283k gross last week, 9 actors, on sale thru February 12 - The Collaboration, $203k gross last week in previews, 6 actors, MTC (subscribers I assume will carry it longer), on sale thru January 29 - Between Riverside and Crazy, $163k gross last week in previews, 7 actors, 2nd Stage (subscribers I assume will carry it longer), on sale thru February 12 |
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| re: What Broadway show will close next? | |
| Posted by: Thom915 10:52 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| In reply to: What Broadway show will close next? - EagleMark 09:25 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| Three of the four shows you list are produced by not-for-profit subscription theaters and have limited runs. It is doubtful that any of them will close before their runs end which leaves unfortunately the beautiful Kimberly Akimbo. Here is a show that I had hoped would find its audience during the holidays enough to carry it through those winter months into the award season but I am so afraid that is not going to happen. See it before it closes. You won't be sorry. | |
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| The producers of KA | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 10:04 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:03 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: What Broadway show will close next? - Thom915 10:52 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| Is David stone and Araca group. Both seem to have deep pockets (both wicked producers). Since KA doesn’t have many investors, they probably could add money to keep it open for Tonys like producers of gentleman’s guide did. Without infusion of money, I doubt it can stay open. It probably has used a lot of reserves already. |
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| Kimberly Akimbo actually is this seasons best musical | |
| Last Edit: FinalPerformance 10:29 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: FinalPerformance 10:27 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: The producers of KA - dramedy 10:03 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I saw Kimberly at Atlantic Stages and decided to see it again at the Booth theatre last week. It is a solid entertaining show that really delivers. The cast has a gift to make you feel good and a belief no matter what that things will work out ok. I hope this show can survive the sharks that keep chewing on it about low grosses. Reviews were very good and Victoria Clark is very convincing in the lead. | |
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| I didn’t like it much | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:35 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: Kimberly Akimbo actually is this seasons best musical - FinalPerformance 10:27 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| About halfway through I thought—oh another tesori score that I don’t like. I loved her additions to TMMillie, but shrek, fun home and violet didn’t work for me. I add this to that list. I can buy the aging premise but some of the other plot points didn’t work for me. I’m a SLIHot fan. I’m disappointed that show is doing so badly at the boxoffice. Good thing I’m not an investor in shows. |
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| re: I didn’t like it much | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:52 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: I didn’t like it much - dramedy 10:35 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I guess that's why people have different tastes. I think Fun Home and Kimberly Akimbo are both pretty much the best musicals that America has to offer, in at least a few decades. SLIH isn't anywhere near that. | |
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| I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:56 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I didn’t like it much - Ncassidine 10:52 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Of best musicals in this century. But best this season so far. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - dramedy 10:56 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I haven't seen it yet. My partner wants badly to see it. We probably won't be able to do a New York trip until April so I'm hoping it makes it through the bad months. Some Like It Hot looks enjoyable but the three numbers I've seen on-line, although catchy, sound awfully generic. I'm a huge fan of the Billy Wilder film, which is decidedly heterosexual as was the Styne-Merrill Sugar. This version seems to be looking at the story through either a gay or queer lens. Just IMO. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - BroadwayTonyJ 03:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| From what I've read in a Wilder bio, it seems like Wilder was open to the idea that maybe it wasn't entirely heterosexual. On the other hand, we know that Jack Lemmon wasn't. When Vito Russo wanted to interview him for The Celluloid Closet, he refused. If memory serves, he was adamant that there was nothing gay about Jerry or the film. You'd think he might at least admit that the question might come up and that he might want to give his point of view. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 05:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 05:26 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Joe E. Brown's character certainly doesn't seem to mind whatever arrangement, hence the famous last line. Plus Jerry/Daphne is imagining a wedding and entertaining thoughts of raising children with Osgood. It might not be technically a gay wedding being envisioned, but Daphne seems be thinking of a wedding with her as a female in a (heterosexual) marriage to Osgood at that point after having had enjoyable dates with him. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 10:02 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - PlayWiz 05:26 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| In the movie, Jerry/Daphne doesn't entertain thoughts of raising children. Just a "quick annulment and those alimony checks keep rolling in." He is just as cynical as Joe. Jerry also said he's been playing in the wrong bands...and when he has cold feet, Sugar does more than make his feet warm. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 10:02 am EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Yes, Jerry as Daphne tries to dissuade Osgood from wanting to marry Daphne by saying, "I can't have children" (or words to that effect), to which Osgood responds, "We can adopt." And the subject is dropped. Is it then that Jerry confesses that he's a man? I can't remember but that is within the next few lines at most (since we are virtually at the end). | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| yes, the next line is "you don't understand. I'm a man." "Nobody's Perfect." Jerry is definitely not gay in the movie. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| He doesn't even seem to be bi-curious. :) | |
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| Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| When Wilder wanted to add a gay subtext to a film, he certainly was adept at doing it. For example, The Lost Weekend -- subtle, but it's there -- and The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes -- pretty obvious but tasteful (IMO). I don't think there's much of a gay subtext in Some Like It Hot as a whole, although I've always felt that Osgood as a rich, aging Mama's boy knows what he wants and is aware from the get-go that Daphne is a man. |
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| re: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:05 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext - BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Quoting Wilder: "What happens after Joe E. Brown says 'Nobody's perfect'? People ask me that. The American public wasn't ready for that in 1959. "Some Like It Hot is a picture I sometimes wish I had saved and made later. It was a daring theme for its time, two boys dressing up as girls. Ten years later we could have been bolder. But the picture was too successful for me to do the subject again. And I'm glad I did it, just the way I did." That is from Charlotte Chandler's book on Wilder, Nobody's Perfect: Billy Wilder, A Personal Biography. Shortly after that quote we get an ending that Wilder and Diamond wrote but knew they couldn't use. Right after Osgood's line, we cut to a nightclub in Havana. Sugar is singing in bad Spanish. Jerry and Joe, out of drag, are in the band. Joe is still clearly in love with Sugar, but Jerry is bored. Suddenly Jerry is startled by something he sees: Osgood entering the club with two blondes. Osgood sees and recognizes Jerry. Close up on Jerry, dismayed, followed by closeup of Osgood's wide smile. I'm not sure that Osgood always knows, but he clearly is more than a little bi-curious. :) |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 09:52 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| oh no... now Osgood is another matter... |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 05:06 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Right, I think Wilder said--in regards to the last line, that audiences at that time were not ready for that. But if Jerry was gay, the movie would have--as the musical has--lost the element of competition between him and Joe for Sugar. Some laugh lines are lost ("A 'rich' millionaire." and "Where'd you get that bracelet?" "You like it? "I always did.") But perhaps the problem is the title. I think most audiences expect it to be the movie, which is a cynical farce, with music. And whatever the musical's merits, it is not that. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 05:06 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I think it doesn't matter if the musical is like the movie - people think it is, and that's now a drawback. I certainly thought it was old territory not needed to be revisited. If it weren't for having a free slot and getting a TDF ticket for a preview, i would still be thinking that. It's a hurdle that maybe different marketing could get people over. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: winters 07:58 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I had the same thoughts as you. Why bother? However, I thought the title song if generic was catchy and TDF sealed the deal for me. Although I have some criticisms, I thoroughly enjoyed myself. Sad as this is to say, as time passes fewer and fewer people have heard of the movie. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Tootsie and Mrs Doubtfire are better known 'oldies.' Marketing needs to explain why one needs to see this and I don't think that they've accomplished that. It's jazzy and it's fun? I could see my favorite reality tv star in Chicago if I want that. Men in women's clothes? Been there, done that. Perhaps more emphasis on the comedy and the splashy numbers could get people in who could get that word of mouth going. I am sorry to see a decent musical struggle when I think that the audience is out there....somewhere. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Delvino 05:55 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| We had the same mindset - I shared mine here under your posts - and the same access to inexpensive ticketing that finally got us in the Shubert seats. We may be part of a larger audience to tap into: those indifferent to the post Tootsie Doubtfire climate expecting a similar level of unmemorable adaptation. Yet finding and reaching us takes time and time costs money and, to steal a cliche, winter is coming. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Ann 01:52 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Delvino 05:55 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I think it's a tough reach. | |
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| re: What Broadway show will close next? | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 09:57 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: What Broadway show will close next? - Thom915 10:52 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| Kimberly Akimbo is the best musical of the season. It is hampered by the fact that it's such a small, intimate show in a Bway theatre. | |
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| re: What Broadway show will close next? | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 09:58 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:57 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| In reply to: What Broadway show will close next? - EagleMark 09:25 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| The Collaboration. See reviews. | |
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| Highly unlikely. | |
| Last Edit: ShowGoer 10:36 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 10:31 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| In reply to: re: What Broadway show will close next? - Delvino 09:57 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| Opening night performance tonight was canceled due to one of the actors being sick (see below), which means I’m guessing it’ll miss a good part of this Christmas week (and ticketholders presumably rescheduled for the the new year). By that point there’ll only be a month left in its scheduled run, and as one of Manhattan Theater Club’s 3 Broadway offerings this season, there’s almost certainly enough audience just in their subscribers, as the original poster said, to keep it going another 4 weeks until late January. (Which doesn’t mean it won’t -technically- be the next to close; but the new Jan. 29th closing date was already an extension, and with the new Laura Linney/Jessica Hecht play starting previews at the end of winter for an opening in the spring, it’s not likely it could’ve extended again more than a week or two anyway.) |
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| re: Highly unlikely. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:47 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: Highly unlikely. - ShowGoer 10:31 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| All valid points, yet the show made $203,103 last week, and just opened to one of the worst sets of reviews this season. Even the few positive notices aren't ringing endorsements or money notices. Maybe subscribers will carry it. The production is less likely to pull more people in, this week, next week, the bleak January looming large. And with an ill cast member, when can it resume? | |
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| re: Highly unlikely. | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 10:53 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Highly unlikely. - Delvino 08:47 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Roundabout has been running 1776 at an average adjusted weekly box office around $256,000 for 14 weeks (dont forget the cost to run a show at these LORT/Broadway theatres is about 1/3 less than full Broadway shows). They are still losing $200-300,000 a week every week. Its still running. | |
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| re: Highly unlikely. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:56 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Highly unlikely. - Delvino 08:47 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Non-profit subscription runs almost never close early, and definitely not one with a small cast and big names. | |
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| re: Highly unlikely. | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:03 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
| In reply to: Highly unlikely. - ShowGoer 10:31 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| 1) Highly unlikely 2) Which doesn’t mean it won’t -technically- be the next to close... Do I detect just a bit of a contradiction here? :-) |
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| re: Highly unlikely. | |
| Posted by: writerkev 06:17 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Highly unlikely. - Chromolume 11:03 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| Not really. Asking a question about which show is next to close, then including as possibilities two non-profit shows with end dates to their limited runs makes no sense whatsoever. He was pointing out that yes, it’s likely set to close when it’s supposed to, but it doesn’t belong in the OP’s list. | |
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| re: Highly confusing | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 10:03 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:01 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Highly unlikely. - writerkev 06:17 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| The OP conflated non-profit limited runs with open-ended commercial runs that are only selling to specific dates, and there was an implication that the question was which of these shows was in trouble of closing early, but the question was ultimately straightforward: of these shows, which will close next. The response that it was highly unlikely that The Collaboration would close next but it would likely close next was… contradictory… because what was really being answered was that it was unlikely The Collaboration would close early but that, based on the announced closing dates, it would close next. |
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| I guess the point I was trying to make… | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 05:04 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Highly confusing - Singapore/Fling 10:01 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| … and what I should have said - was that since I doubt David Stone is prepared to close Kimberly Akimbo before the spring (unless grosses dip even lower), and since I doubt 2nd Stage, MTC, or Lincoln Center will close any of those shows sooner than their already-limited runs – I’d be surprised if any of those shows mentioned close prior to the date the OP mentioned that they’re currently selling to. (And yes, that means that The Collaboration would in fact be the first to close, but it wouldn’t be any kind of reflection whatsoever on the show’s reviews, as Delvino seemed to suggest was inevitable.) |
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