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| Posted by: writerkev 06:20 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: No Star - BillEadie 10:53 pm EST 12/20/22 | |
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| This excuse just doesn’t fly. There are no recognizable names in almost any of the musicals doing good business. It’s actually rare for a new musical to have recognizable names. This idea that it’s common is being recognized as fact lately, and I’m unclear where it’s coming from. | |
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| re: No Star | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:07 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: No Star - writerkev 06:20 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| There may not be stars in many of the current hit musicals, but there are recognizable names of some sort. This season, we have the Neil Diamon show doing well, where Diamon is the name, and we have & Juliet, where people know a lot of the songs and there is the familiarity of Romeo & Juliet. So I think the crux of the argument stands. |
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| re: No Star | |
| Last Edit: writerkev 07:14 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| Posted by: writerkev 07:08 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: No Star - Singapore/Fling 10:07 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Well if we’re stretching the word “star” to mean “recognizable material” (which is weird, but I get your point), I guess the implication is that a show like “Six” is doing well based on the strength of people’s attachment to Henry VIII’s wives or something. But if that’s the case, SLIH has a “star” in that it’s based on a very popular (very old) movie. Just seems like it’s not one that people care about. Perhaps there’s some truth to the notion that many are—rightly or wrongly—perceiving it as yet one more “man in a dress” comedies and simply not worthy of making it to the top of the list. |
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| re: No Star | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:00 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: No Star - writerkev 07:08 am EST 12/22/22 | |
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| I was focusing on the words “a name”, rather than Star. I certainly think that the Henry VIII story is a hook for “Six” and contributes to why it’s done so well, but also, I don’t think we’re talking about hard and fast rules. And while I really enjoy the film, I don’t think Some Like It Hot is a cultural touchstone or “very popular” in a meaningful way. |
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| SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:22 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: No Star - Singapore/Fling 05:00 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Wilder's Some Like It Hot has been universally acclaimed as being one of the greatest films and one of the greatest comedies of all time. The National Film Registry selected it for preservation "for being culturally, historically, or asthetically significant." This sentiment has been confirmed by the following organizations: Library of Congress, Time Out Magazine, Entertainment Weekly, AFI, British Film Institute, Sight & Sound, The Guardian, New York Times, Cahiers du cinema, and countless others. It was and continues to be wildly popular with movie going audiences. It was produced at a cost of $2.9 million and by 2020 had grossed $83.2 million internationally. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:51 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - BroadwayTonyJ 10:22 am EST 12/23/22 | |
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| I think we're in agreement that it's an incredible film, and that people who love movies hold it in high regard. It's a mid-century classic up there with the works of Fellini and Truffaut. I just don't think it has much impact outside of that cinephiles. And I don't know how we can possibly talk about a movie continuing to be wildly popular with movie going audiences when it hasn't played in a movie theater in decades and it does not appear to be charting on streaming services. What I think we can say is that it's not a movie that tends to be quoted in other movies nor referenced a great deal in pop culture, at least to my knowledge. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:54 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - Singapore/Fling 02:51 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
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| You have no idea what you are talking about. It has definitely played in various revival houses in the Chicago area and even in libraries over the last decade. It's shown regularly on TCM and is available on both DVD and Blu-Ray. You can stream it on Prime Video. There are two Broadway musicals that are based on it. The Styne-Merrill Sugar and now the Shaiman-Wittman version. What other classic film comedy has inspired two separate Broadway musicals by teams that previously won the Best Musical Tony? |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 12:01 am EST 12/24/22 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:55 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - BroadwayTonyJ 06:54 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
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| You’re proving my point, as much as you wish you weren’t. Revival houses, library screenings, even the bulk of TCM are aimed towards cinephiles and people who are old enough to have a familiarity/nostalgia for the film from when it debuted. Some Like It Hot is in the same company as Le Circle Rouge or Chimes at Midnight, which can play for a few weeks on a single screen, but I don’t know how that squares with the idea of being “wildly popular”. And I didn’t claim the film was forgotten, so citing DVD and the ability to rent the film digitally only tells us, again, what we already agree on: it’s a great movie that is held in high esteem by certain people. But also… I don’t get the sense that certain peels on this board are aware that “Sugar” Is not a well-known musical outside of this board. There’s a pop culture myopia on this site that reinforces itself in odd ways, and I think this movie and musical are an example of that. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:52 am EST 12/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - Singapore/Fling 11:55 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
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| I should have mentioned that Fathom Events presented Some Like It Hot at select cinemas around the Chicago area in 2017. When I saw it with my partner, the crowd definitely included some young people. The theaters selected were not revival houses, but popular local cinemas. Just saying. | |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: comedywest 09:43 am EST 12/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - BroadwayTonyJ 08:52 am EST 12/24/22 | |
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| and TCM is hardly just for cinephiles...it's just where old movies are telecast. Turner bought up most of those rights ages ago. I happen to love smart comedies, but good luck finding them anywhere in the theaters these days. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:37 am EST 12/24/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - Singapore/Fling 11:55 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
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| I guess we travel in different theatre circles. Believe it or not, I do have young nieces and nephews who are teens and 20-somethings and I talk to them frequently about films and theatre. What exactly is your idea of a film comedy that is a cultural touchstone or is "wildly popular"? |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film | |
| Posted by: comedywest 03:30 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - Singapore/Fling 02:51 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
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| It does play in revival houses, like Film Forum in New Yorl. I am not sure what films play in theaters after a their initial run anymore. and it is on TCM at least six times a year--one every couple of months--plus on demand for a couple of weeks after each run. I doubt many current movies will be in theaters or on TV much in a few years- Quoted in other movies? Like White Chicks--god help us? Some Like It Hot doesn't really quote other movies, even Lubitsch movies, which Wilder loved. That is not a standard I would go by. People who see the movie for the first time, laugh. When I saw the musical, people cheered more than they laughed. |
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| The 2022 Sight and Sound ranking | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 01:43 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:42 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - BroadwayTonyJ 10:22 am EST 12/23/22 | |
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| In support of what you write, I will add that in the most recent (2022) Sight and Sound poll of international film critics, it ranked 38 on the list of 100 greatest films of all time. It has been much noted that this year's poll was full of surprises, with a bigger, younger and more diverse group of critics being polled, with some very surprising results. A number of old favorites were ranked lower than in earlier polls and a good number disappeared altogether. So the fact that Some Like It Hot is there at 38 speaks to . . . well, it speaks to a lot. | |
| Link | 2022 Sight and Sound poll |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film--Thank you | |
| Posted by: comedywest 10:30 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film - BroadwayTonyJ 10:22 am EST 12/23/22 | |
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| I am so glad you said this. It is well-written and wonderfully constructed, and of course well-cast and -acted. People who don't know it are really missing out. I am also guessing that $83.9 doesn't factor in for inflation. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film--Thank you | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:46 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film--Thank you - comedywest 10:30 am EST 12/23/22 | |
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| Wikipedia lists the gross for the original release in 1959 as $49 million, which is an astounding profit for that time. I remember going to the movies as an 11-year old kid with my friends to see it (even though the nuns and priests at my Catholic grade school told us we'd burn in hell if we did). I'm guessing that the $83.2 million figure in 2020 includes all the revenue from TV showings, video sales, theatrical re-issues, and stuff like that. |
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| re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film--Thank you | |
| Posted by: comedywest 12:03 pm EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: re: SOME LIKE IT HOT -- the '59 Film--Thank you - BroadwayTonyJ 10:46 am EST 12/23/22 | |
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| OK...$83.2 is still pretty darn good. I went to Catholic school too. Hell never sounded so good. I just saw it again a month ago. Every time I see it, i notice something new. Like this time a little thing: When Joe is to meet Sugar at the dock, she is ahead of him and waiting, so he has to take a bike. At the end, when his is running from the mob, he is at the dock first and she takes a bike. There are plenty of other callbacks, like the Hupmobiie references. |
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| re: No Star | |
| Posted by: raydan 11:29 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: No Star - Singapore/Fling 10:07 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| The show looks great from what I’ve seen here and there but… Could we be ‘dragged out’ on Broadway at this point, famous names in the lead or not? |
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