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| Kimberly Akimbo actually is this seasons best musical | |
| Last Edit: FinalPerformance 10:29 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: FinalPerformance 10:27 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: The producers of KA - dramedy 10:03 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I saw Kimberly at Atlantic Stages and decided to see it again at the Booth theatre last week. It is a solid entertaining show that really delivers. The cast has a gift to make you feel good and a belief no matter what that things will work out ok. I hope this show can survive the sharks that keep chewing on it about low grosses. Reviews were very good and Victoria Clark is very convincing in the lead. | |
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| I didn’t like it much | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:35 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: Kimberly Akimbo actually is this seasons best musical - FinalPerformance 10:27 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| About halfway through I thought—oh another tesori score that I don’t like. I loved her additions to TMMillie, but shrek, fun home and violet didn’t work for me. I add this to that list. I can buy the aging premise but some of the other plot points didn’t work for me. I’m a SLIHot fan. I’m disappointed that show is doing so badly at the boxoffice. Good thing I’m not an investor in shows. |
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| re: I didn’t like it much | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 10:52 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: I didn’t like it much - dramedy 10:35 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I guess that's why people have different tastes. I think Fun Home and Kimberly Akimbo are both pretty much the best musicals that America has to offer, in at least a few decades. SLIH isn't anywhere near that. | |
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| I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:56 am EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I didn’t like it much - Ncassidine 10:52 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Of best musicals in this century. But best this season so far. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 03:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - dramedy 10:56 am EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I haven't seen it yet. My partner wants badly to see it. We probably won't be able to do a New York trip until April so I'm hoping it makes it through the bad months. Some Like It Hot looks enjoyable but the three numbers I've seen on-line, although catchy, sound awfully generic. I'm a huge fan of the Billy Wilder film, which is decidedly heterosexual as was the Styne-Merrill Sugar. This version seems to be looking at the story through either a gay or queer lens. Just IMO. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - BroadwayTonyJ 03:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| From what I've read in a Wilder bio, it seems like Wilder was open to the idea that maybe it wasn't entirely heterosexual. On the other hand, we know that Jack Lemmon wasn't. When Vito Russo wanted to interview him for The Celluloid Closet, he refused. If memory serves, he was adamant that there was nothing gay about Jerry or the film. You'd think he might at least admit that the question might come up and that he might want to give his point of view. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 05:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 05:26 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Joe E. Brown's character certainly doesn't seem to mind whatever arrangement, hence the famous last line. Plus Jerry/Daphne is imagining a wedding and entertaining thoughts of raising children with Osgood. It might not be technically a gay wedding being envisioned, but Daphne seems be thinking of a wedding with her as a female in a (heterosexual) marriage to Osgood at that point after having had enjoyable dates with him. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 10:02 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - PlayWiz 05:26 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| In the movie, Jerry/Daphne doesn't entertain thoughts of raising children. Just a "quick annulment and those alimony checks keep rolling in." He is just as cynical as Joe. Jerry also said he's been playing in the wrong bands...and when he has cold feet, Sugar does more than make his feet warm. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 10:02 am EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Yes, Jerry as Daphne tries to dissuade Osgood from wanting to marry Daphne by saying, "I can't have children" (or words to that effect), to which Osgood responds, "We can adopt." And the subject is dropped. Is it then that Jerry confesses that he's a man? I can't remember but that is within the next few lines at most (since we are virtually at the end). | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| yes, the next line is "you don't understand. I'm a man." "Nobody's Perfect." Jerry is definitely not gay in the movie. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| He doesn't even seem to be bi-curious. :) | |
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| Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| When Wilder wanted to add a gay subtext to a film, he certainly was adept at doing it. For example, The Lost Weekend -- subtle, but it's there -- and The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes -- pretty obvious but tasteful (IMO). I don't think there's much of a gay subtext in Some Like It Hot as a whole, although I've always felt that Osgood as a rich, aging Mama's boy knows what he wants and is aware from the get-go that Daphne is a man. |
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| re: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:05 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext - BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Quoting Wilder: "What happens after Joe E. Brown says 'Nobody's perfect'? People ask me that. The American public wasn't ready for that in 1959. "Some Like It Hot is a picture I sometimes wish I had saved and made later. It was a daring theme for its time, two boys dressing up as girls. Ten years later we could have been bolder. But the picture was too successful for me to do the subject again. And I'm glad I did it, just the way I did." That is from Charlotte Chandler's book on Wilder, Nobody's Perfect: Billy Wilder, A Personal Biography. Shortly after that quote we get an ending that Wilder and Diamond wrote but knew they couldn't use. Right after Osgood's line, we cut to a nightclub in Havana. Sugar is singing in bad Spanish. Jerry and Joe, out of drag, are in the band. Joe is still clearly in love with Sugar, but Jerry is bored. Suddenly Jerry is startled by something he sees: Osgood entering the club with two blondes. Osgood sees and recognizes Jerry. Close up on Jerry, dismayed, followed by closeup of Osgood's wide smile. I'm not sure that Osgood always knows, but he clearly is more than a little bi-curious. :) |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 09:52 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| oh no... now Osgood is another matter... |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 05:06 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:27 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| Right, I think Wilder said--in regards to the last line, that audiences at that time were not ready for that. But if Jerry was gay, the movie would have--as the musical has--lost the element of competition between him and Joe for Sugar. Some laugh lines are lost ("A 'rich' millionaire." and "Where'd you get that bracelet?" "You like it? "I always did.") But perhaps the problem is the title. I think most audiences expect it to be the movie, which is a cynical farce, with music. And whatever the musical's merits, it is not that. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 05:06 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I think it doesn't matter if the musical is like the movie - people think it is, and that's now a drawback. I certainly thought it was old territory not needed to be revisited. If it weren't for having a free slot and getting a TDF ticket for a preview, i would still be thinking that. It's a hurdle that maybe different marketing could get people over. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: winters 07:58 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I had the same thoughts as you. Why bother? However, I thought the title song if generic was catchy and TDF sealed the deal for me. Although I have some criticisms, I thoroughly enjoyed myself. Sad as this is to say, as time passes fewer and fewer people have heard of the movie. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Tootsie and Mrs Doubtfire are better known 'oldies.' Marketing needs to explain why one needs to see this and I don't think that they've accomplished that. It's jazzy and it's fun? I could see my favorite reality tv star in Chicago if I want that. Men in women's clothes? Been there, done that. Perhaps more emphasis on the comedy and the splashy numbers could get people in who could get that word of mouth going. I am sorry to see a decent musical struggle when I think that the audience is out there....somewhere. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Delvino 05:55 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Ann 05:23 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| We had the same mindset - I shared mine here under your posts - and the same access to inexpensive ticketing that finally got us in the Shubert seats. We may be part of a larger audience to tap into: those indifferent to the post Tootsie Doubtfire climate expecting a similar level of unmemorable adaptation. Yet finding and reaching us takes time and time costs money and, to steal a cliche, winter is coming. | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: Ann 01:52 am EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - Delvino 05:55 pm EST 12/21/22 | |
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| I think it's a tough reach. | |
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