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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 10:02 am EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Yes, Jerry as Daphne tries to dissuade Osgood from wanting to marry Daphne by saying, "I can't have children" (or words to that effect), to which Osgood responds, "We can adopt." And the subject is dropped. Is it then that Jerry confesses that he's a man? I can't remember but that is within the next few lines at most (since we are virtually at the end). | |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 04:56 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| yes, the next line is "you don't understand. I'm a man." "Nobody's Perfect." Jerry is definitely not gay in the movie. |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - comedywest 06:31 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| He doesn't even seem to be bi-curious. :) | |
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| Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| When Wilder wanted to add a gay subtext to a film, he certainly was adept at doing it. For example, The Lost Weekend -- subtle, but it's there -- and The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes -- pretty obvious but tasteful (IMO). I don't think there's much of a gay subtext in Some Like It Hot as a whole, although I've always felt that Osgood as a rich, aging Mama's boy knows what he wants and is aware from the get-go that Daphne is a man. |
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| re: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:05 am EST 12/23/22 | |
| In reply to: Billy Wilder and the Gay Subtext - BroadwayTonyJ 11:32 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| Quoting Wilder: "What happens after Joe E. Brown says 'Nobody's perfect'? People ask me that. The American public wasn't ready for that in 1959. "Some Like It Hot is a picture I sometimes wish I had saved and made later. It was a daring theme for its time, two boys dressing up as girls. Ten years later we could have been bolder. But the picture was too successful for me to do the subject again. And I'm glad I did it, just the way I did." That is from Charlotte Chandler's book on Wilder, Nobody's Perfect: Billy Wilder, A Personal Biography. Shortly after that quote we get an ending that Wilder and Diamond wrote but knew they couldn't use. Right after Osgood's line, we cut to a nightclub in Havana. Sugar is singing in bad Spanish. Jerry and Joe, out of drag, are in the band. Joe is still clearly in love with Sugar, but Jerry is bored. Suddenly Jerry is startled by something he sees: Osgood entering the club with two blondes. Osgood sees and recognizes Jerry. Close up on Jerry, dismayed, followed by closeup of Osgood's wide smile. I'm not sure that Osgood always knows, but he clearly is more than a little bi-curious. :) |
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| re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category | |
| Posted by: comedywest 09:52 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
| In reply to: re: I wouldn’t put hot in that category - AlanScott 06:38 pm EST 12/22/22 | |
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| oh no... now Osgood is another matter... |
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