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| Posted by: bobjohnny 11:31 am EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - lowwriter 01:53 am EST 12/28/22 | |
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| Why is no one talking about the success of "& Juliet"? Paulo Szot is hardly a big star, and yet that new musical is doing well. And several other long-running musicals are selling out. So tourists are paying to see shows they want to see. "Some Like It Not" just isn't that good. Poor word of mouth is the problem, not the pandemic. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 11:48 am EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - bobjohnny 11:31 am EST 12/28/22 | |
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| & Juliet is a familiar trope (Romeo and Juliet) and pop music. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:42 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Ncassidine 11:48 am EST 12/28/22 | |
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| I’ve written before that & Juliet had a couple of good hooks to interest an audience, but the main reason it’s a hit is that, much like Six, it’s a fun show that lives in the idiom of a younger, pop-culture-focused generation. Aside from the poor marketing and the surprising lack of enthusiasm for a new-fangled, old-school musical, I think Some Like It Hot has been a victim of its source material; people who know and love the film are upset with the liberties the show takes (and are in a demographic that tend to be more conservative on social issues, compounding the problem), while people who don’t know the film aren’t being given a strong enough reason to choose the show over other options. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Ann 05:38 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 03:42 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| Why are they so swayed by that, while ignoring the rest they're hearing and reading that is great? Do you think Sugar would be doing better? I don't. I also don't feel theatergoers, even older ones, whom your referring to, are overall socially conservative. Yes, there are some. I think there are probably more in that demographic who are still not attending live events, so that's a factor. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:33 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Ann 05:38 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| "I also don't feel theatergoers, even older ones, whom your referring to, are overall socially conservative. Yes, there are some. I think there are probably more in that demographic who are still not attending live events, so that's a factor." I thought the same thing when I read the comment from Singapore/Fling. Longtime regular theatregoers are hardly socially conservative. Maybe slightly in comparison with younger theatregoers, but minimally. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: HadriansMall 01:19 pm EST 12/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - AlanScott 06:33 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| I also think a lot of assumptions are made on here about people's age. I know we can infer from comments about certain shows we've seen etc. but we can't know exactly. In a thread I posted last week, ryhog stated that I must be in a similar age group to him (I think he mentioned he was nearing 60) I am not. I am at least 10-15 years younger) I also think we sometimes miss that there is an absolute army of socially conservative youth. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:53 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - AlanScott 06:33 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| I can only judge from the comments on this board, in terms of which people are complaining about the show being too woke, too Black, and too gay. I think that we have different ideas of where the line is in terms of being socially conservative. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 08:07 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 06:53 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| "I think that we have different ideas of where the line is in terms of being socially conservative." Perhaps but then I wonder if you might consider me socially conservative, even though I am confident that the vast majority of Americans would regard me as extremely socially liberal, with a significant portion regarding me as excessively and even dangerously socially liberal. I agree with Ann that even though there is a handful of posters on this board who from time to time post socially conservative, even reactionary, statements, they are a small, almost minuscule portion who sometimes command an outsize degree of attention because those statements cause controversy and many replies. And, honestly, sometimes they don't defend themselves very well. I sometimes find myself thinking things like, "If I had posted that, even though I wouldn't, I could defend myself better than this." In any case, I think the number of regular theatregoers not buying tickets for Some Like It Hot because it is perceived as too socially progressive may be in the 10s. Even if in the hundreds or the lowish thousands, not enough to be the reason for the box-office troubles it is having. I am somewhat uncertain that even most regular theatregoers are especially aware of the adjustments in plot and emphases that constitute some of the differences between the source film and the current musical. Although I am far from the first (or even the 10th) to say this, I suspect that a lot of people just no longer find the idea of a man in a dress to be inherently funny or even likely to be funny. And perhaps, as others have suggested, after Tootsie and Mrs. Doubtfire having been found wanting both on their own merits and in comparison with the source films, regular theatregoers have no appetite for what they perceive as yet another in a series. It may be that a major factor is a perception that the show is socially retrograde rather than excessively socially conscious. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:56 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - AlanScott 08:07 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| From what you’ve shared on this site, I wouldn’t consider you socially conservative, but I do think there are posters who consider themselves liberal and proclaim themselves as such whole espousing regressive points of view. I hope I’m overestimating this site’s relationship to the larger, traditional Broadway audience. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Ann 07:03 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 06:53 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| You exaggerate and it doesn't seem like you consider the number of posters who make the comments you consider to be socially conservative. And to extrapolate that to a number that can actually cause a show to fail is kind of out there. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:15 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Ann 07:03 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| Where am I exaggerating? You’re right that it’s hard to quantify the chatter here, but in terms of the people who actually post, it feels like a good 10 - 15% are in the Too Woke; Sugar Needs to Be Blond (we know what that means);The Men Aren’t Appropriately Competing for Sugar’s Love (we know what that means); I Wish There Was More Womanizing; Borle Isn’t As Pretty As Tony Curtis; etc. I’m presuming that’s reflective of the outside world, but yes, that could be a confirmation bias. Curious what you mean by, “it doesn't seem like you consider the number of posters who make the comments you consider to be socially conservative.” That sentence doesn’t quite scan for me. |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:05 am EST 12/29/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 08:15 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| I think you exaggerate (and often misinterpret) when you make your judgements. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 08:52 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 08:15 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| That it doesn't seem like you're taking into account that only a small number of people make those comments. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:11 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - AlanScott 08:52 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| It seems only a small number of people comment in general, so the question becomes whether the frequent posters reflect those who are quiet or not. Which… 🤷🏼♂️ your guess is as good as mine. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 08:17 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:17 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Singapore/Fling 08:15 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| ATC is not reflective of the real world. We’re in a tiny bubble discussing things that most people don’t care about. | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:53 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - KingSpeed 08:17 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
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| We’re not reflective of the real world, but sometimes we’re reflective of the Show Fan world. (Has anyone found an inclusive version of “Show Queen”?) | |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: BillEadie 12:56 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Ncassidine 11:48 am EST 12/28/22 | |
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| When I saw &Juliet in London, I didn’t know most of the music, but a group of young women seated nearby were bouncing in their seats, which was a good sign, I thought. My complaint about SLIH was that it looked too generic. The film was famously set at the Hotel Del Coronado, in San Diego. The Hotel Del has a very distinctive look that was captured in the film. The look of the sets for the hotel scenes could have evoked the Del’s architecture but didn’t. Mentioning “San Diego” several times in the script does little good, if what makes San Diego distinctive isn’t shown. The group also goes off to party in Tijuana, which, ok, was possible in the time period (much harder now, with border restrictions). But, Tijuana looks very generic, too. Part of the farcical effect is that a bunch of attractive people are having fun (and adventures) in “exotic” locations. I enjoyed SLIH when I saw it in early November, but what I’ve outlined here remain my criticisms of the version I saw then. Bill, in San Diego |
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| re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:27 pm EST 12/28/22 | |
| In reply to: re: Some like it hot took a nose dive and ain’t no mo is soaring. - Ncassidine 11:48 am EST 12/28/22 | |
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| why or how does that take it out of the conversation? I think one of the problems on Broadway right now is that there is a disconnect between producers and audiences. And that's a BIG problem. We are still producing a lot of things for a generation that is decreasingly going to the theatre. As the post to which you responded said, "tourists [and non-tourists] are paying to see shows they want to see." | |
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