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| Since at least the mid-90s | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 09:55 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 09:44 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
| In reply to: Since when is the Emcee gay? - KingSpeed 03:59 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
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| Thank you for the most bonkers post of the year. Look, the Emcee is playing a part, and an aspect of that is poking fun at dominant culture by playing the clown and representing himself as something he’s not. If that’s too abstract for you, then we can look at the Mendes production, in which one of the Ladies was played by a man (and that is officially written into the script), and in which the Emcee twice wore a dress, and in which the Emcee went to the camps with a big pink triangle on his uniform. If that doesn’t tell you he’s gay, I don’t know what will. |
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| re: Since at least the mid-90s | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:57 am EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: Since at least the mid-90s - Singapore/Fling 09:44 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
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| He’s gay in the Mendes production, not in the script. Yours is the bonkers post. Have you read the original script? Have you seen a production of the original? I have. He’s not gay. | |
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| re: Since at least the mid-90s | |
| Last Edit: Singapore/Fling 02:59 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:58 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Since at least the mid-90s - KingSpeed 11:57 am EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| We’re not talking about the original script, because the script had evolved, and the 1998 version is an official script that is the primarily produced one. But look, here’s the thing, the Emcee is decidedly a character (as others have pointed out). He is a shape shifter who is leading a Weimar cabaret in which he plays a role for his audience while performing acts that undercut the status quo. And he’s doing it at a time when Berlin had a thriving gay subculture. So we can’t really say anything about the Emcee as a person, because we never see that person. Nothing in the script tells us anything about him. Does he actually have a wife? He says he does, but he says it as part of a bit, so we can’t trust it. He also says he has two ladies and they all share duties equally, which doesn’t make sense with the idea that he has a wife, unless you think that he found a different second lady because Sally turned him down. But that treats everything he says as true, which is a very weird take. Does the script say he’s gay? No. Does it say he’s straight? No. There is literally no reason to draw any conclusions. If anything, his sexuality is Clown. You can read him as straight, but you don’t have to, and certainly many people have drawn a different conclusion. |
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| re: Since at least the mid-90s | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 09:51 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:50 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
| In reply to: Since at least the mid-90s - Singapore/Fling 09:44 pm EDT 03/30/23 | |
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| Well argued. I saw the original staging in the first national as a teenager and the first Mendes iteration. Same character defined by both the theatrical shorthand and cultural prism on homosexuality in very disparate eras. A sexual identity wasn’t imposed by Mendes; it was reminted with a fluid lexicon that post Stonewall America provided all stories with queer representation. |
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