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| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:35 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s not in the script. - KingSpeed 12:03 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| But doing a Nazi kickline and heil is also making a show and a mockery of Nazis... but didn't you just say that him doing that in the script makes him a Nazi? | |
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| re: It’s not in the script. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:00 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s not in the script. - Chazwaza 02:35 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| Not to mention that he ends up in a camp - IN THE SCRIPT - so why is he there if he’s a card carrying Nazi? | |
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| re: It’s not in the script. | |
| Posted by: ms721 04:24 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s not in the script. - Singapore/Fling 03:00 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| two prong question does the MC end up with a symbol on his jacket at the end of the original show, or the movie or the revival? and what is the symbol? if it's a yellow star that means his bigger crime is being Jewish and his sexuality is still not clear. if it's a pink triangle he's not Jewish but incarcerated for being homosexual. and i find the whole discussion amusing as it's all a matter of how you interpret it so what's the point of arguing?. thanks. |
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| re: It’s not in the script. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:39 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s not in the script. - ms721 04:24 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| The 1998 version ends in the camps. The actual symbol on the uniform is not specified. In the production, it was both a Jewish star and a pink triangle. My memory is that they used two patches, though it should have been (and I’ve seen it as) a combo of the two in one patch. But I can’t say for certain that wasn’t what they did in ‘98. I think the argument stems from the statement that the Emcee is “decidedly straight”. |
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| re: It’s not in the script. | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:47 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:44 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s not in the script. - Singapore/Fling 03:00 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| I've always felt that one of the strongest themes and messages of the musical is how the Kit Kat Klub represents distraction and diluting with a party, forgetting what is going on outside and coming in to serve your own needs, allows for the real forces of terror going on outside to take control. It feeds perfectly into/through Sally's approach at life, and even Frau Schneider's state of mind during the timeline of the show. The Emcee is the ringleader and facilitator of this. He observes and reflects the world but also the characters in the show they are giving us (sally, cliff, schneider etc). That is why the final lines "we have no troubles here" and then the multi-lingual goodbye, the same as it started, are so effective and upsetting. In many ways it's wonderful that "life is a cabaret", and in many ways it's... not. Which is also the clear tone of the title song, without it being drowned in literal trauma and anger and bitter sarcasm like the current london revival (which I felt was also slightly too much in the Mendes revival, but by comparison now looks downright subtle) I think he is mocking and also trivializing when he does the kickline. Turning it into entertainment but for people who are there to be drunk and complacent and entertained and titillated. And then, in Mendes' much more obvious version, it literally bites him/the club in the ass when he is sent to an oven. But I do prefer the original ending, I find it more unsettling actually, and effective. The movie's ending too. |
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