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| Posted by: AlanScott 06:14 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - SidL 03:40 am EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| I seem to think that Joel Grey said that Fosse wanted or at least was considering asking Ruth Gordon, but do we have any confirmation of that from anyone else? Gordon does not appear in the index of either the Gottfried bio of Fosse or the Wasson bio. | |
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| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:38 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:33 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - AlanScott 06:14 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| Alan, I seem to recall a video interview of Joel Grey where he said that Bob Fosse, certainly at the start, was against his casting in the film and that Ruth Gordon was someone Fosse was very interested in using for the role. I got the impression from Grey that Fosse was rather tough on him during filming, at least early on during rehearsals. Maybe he eased off later on. Gwen Verdon was described by Grey or someone else on this documentary or interview about the "Cabaret" film as being quite instrumental assisting Fosse and someone mentioned she probably should have received co-directing nomination (and a share in the award the Fosse actually won) since her input turned out to be invaluable as far as choreography, possibly the look of the makeup and costumes, etc. She even flew back from Berlin where they were filming to New York to get the gorilla costume for "If You Could See Her" when earlier versions weren't acceptable to Fosse. I think some of this was dramatized in the "Fosse/Verdon" tv series. Fosse did thank Gwen during his Oscar speech, but she possibly could have been the first woman director to get the Oscar. His ego apparently couldn't handle more than an acknowledgment during the acceptance speech though, and she didn't push it, with their long, complicated history. | |
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| re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 12:20 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - PlayWiz 11:33 pm EDT 03/31/23 | |
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| Yes, some of that was in Fosse/Verdon. I'm just wondering if we can necessarily accept this Ruth Gordon thing as being definitely true as it seems that Joel Grey may be the only source for it. It seems like second-hand hearsay. |
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| re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:31 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - AlanScott 12:20 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
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| Well, he was there and probably heard stuff from his agent, the producers, etc. -- and Ruth Gordon was a relatively recent Oscar winner for "Rosemary's Baby" at the time playing someone who turns out to be something akin to a witch, and who was starting to give very singular kinds of Ruth Gordon movie performances (starting around the time of "Inside Daisy Clover"). Maybe since Fosse couldn't use Gwen for "Sweet Charity" for that film recreating her stage role, he thought a bigger name (with an Oscar) might be an intriguing idea for "Cabaret", since most likely he wouldn't be fully credited for the role Grey had already been acclaimed for. But I don't know who else could confirm this who is still around, other than Mr. Grey. | |
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| re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:22 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - PlayWiz 12:31 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
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| Wouldn't Liza Minnelli know also? | |
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| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:25 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - BroadwayTonyJ 06:22 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
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| Possibly, but most interviews with Liza about "Cabaret" tend to be about Sally Bowles and finding her character and her look, and not so much about other characters and actors in the film. | |
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| re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. | |
| Posted by: larry13 11:42 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse wanted to cast Ruth Gordon.. - PlayWiz 11:25 am EDT 04/01/23 | |
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| Could it possibly be that Grey was joking; that Fosse so didn't want HIM, he'd even consider Ruth Gordon? OR that Fosse himself did say it, but, again, as a joke? IF there is any truth to this, a couple other people who might know are Kander or even Nicole Fosse. |
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