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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 03:25 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - NewtonUK 03:11 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| While technically it doesn't, I think most people will acknowledge that, in the flawed Tony Award system, for all practical purposes, it does. First, A DOLLS HOUSE will likely be the revival that voters saw most recently and, thus, will have the clearest memory of, which gives it an advantage, if the voter liked it. Second, I think there's a school of thought on Broadway amongst some voters that it doesn't really make sense to give awards to productions that have already closed. Those shows aren't going to be able to sell a single ticket on the back of winning anything. They're done and gone. Productions that are running have that advantage over productions that have closed. | |
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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:10 pm EDT 04/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - JereNYC 03:25 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| I think it is less true of plays than musicals that voters feel the need to award still running shows. On Follies day, however, I will mention, as I have before, that I think one reason why Two Gentlemen won is because any voter who read Variety knew Follies would soon be closing. So even though it was still running, that knowledge may have affected at least a few votes, and that may have been all that was necessary. But when it comes to plays, so often few of the nominated plays both among revivals and new plays, are still running. And the prevalence in recent times of genuinely limited runs for plays has also affected things. |
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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:05 pm EDT 04/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - JereNYC 03:25 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| "Those shows aren't going to be able to sell a single ticket on the back of winning anything." While true, this only matters to those who stand to gain by ticket sales for something else. That is a pretty small subset within Tony voters. And with these star-driven vehicles, there is not really much chance that the road voters are going to be of any help. Moreover, this falls in that category of shows that is being produced on Broadway because some people think it should be. |
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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Thom915 08:12 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - JereNYC 03:25 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| One doesn't have to go back further than last year When Simon Russell Beale won the Tony (even competing against the rest of his cast but not splitting the vote) won over David Threllfall of "Hangmen," still running when the voting closed and in need of support. In 2019 Bryan Cranston of the closed "Network" won over Jeff Daniels(who was generally favored) of the running To Kill a Mockingbird. Elaine may that year of the closed "The Waverly Gallery" won over Heidi Schreck of "What the Constitution means to Me." There are many other examples. | |
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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 06:48 am EDT 04/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - Thom915 08:12 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| All conjecture, of course, but I wouldn't say that Daniels was favored over Cranston. 2019's Drama Desk Award, which might have been an indicator, went to Jay O. Sanders. Also, "Network" closed just before the Tony Awards were held, so the voters all had more than enough time to see it. I don't know if its having closed serves your point as clearly as the other two examples you cite. | |
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| re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Revned 02:47 am EDT 04/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Is Sidney Brustein moving (from Brooklyn) to Broadway? - Thom915 08:12 pm EDT 04/03/23 | |
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| And yet most experts would agree with JereNYC that productions that are still running often have the advantage in the Best Play, Best Musical, and Best Revival categories at the Tony Awards. Whether or not a show is still running makes less of a difference when it comes to the acting and design awards. | |
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