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| Last Edit: dramedy 10:59 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:56 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: Jordan Donica out of Camelot and Sorkin’s changes - lowwriter 10:22 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| This is the first musical in YEARS that I didn’t have to wear earplugs. For me, the sound is perfect because it isn’t overamplified and more like little amplification. Now I was third row 200 section and I did wonder if the mezz could hear anything. But it’s all about me and the sound was perfect. My friends wanted to leave at intermission which they didn’t tell me until after. I was expecting a slow evening so I was ok with the pace. The songs are sung nicely and I thought it was well cast although Soo is no Andrews in voice and warmth. But she’s fine in the part. The sorkin rewrite is pretty glaring with throwing out the timeline. Reference to voltaire, modern science and marriage is a “business partnership” are jarring. I almost expected iPhones to show up in the second act. I know it is fantasy, but it is based in the Middle Ages. The one change I like is sword fight over jousting at county fair. It’s more practical than the usual song watching the crowd watching the jousting off stage. And usually sword fights look so fake, but kiddos to choreographer that staged it—well done. Morgan le fe being older is ok. Mordred is late teens so she would be mid 30s anyway. It’s clear that Arthur was very young when he was having sex with her and then assisted his older brother to tournament to pull the sword. So Arthur being 10 years younger is ok. |
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| Posted by: melvotaw 05:55 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: Response. - dramedy 10:56 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| I don't love loud shows, but when we saw it Wednesday, I had to strain to hear them at all. There were a few lines sung by Lance that I couldn't even hear well enough to understand the lyrics. AND I WAS IN THE FRONT ROW. | |
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| Posted by: lonlad 01:53 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: Response. - dramedy 10:56 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| > but kiddos to That's wonderful!!!! :-) |
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| Last Edit: lowwriter 11:14 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 11:09 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: Response. - dramedy 10:56 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| You could barely hear Soo or the actor singing Lancelot. I was sitting in the first row and there is nothing wrong with my hearing. I did like the sword fighting. But to have Arthur hit in the head twice by Lancelot was a bit much. I found the actress playing Morgan was totally charmless. I hated her character and the way it was written. |
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| Last Edit: lordofspeech 09:59 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 09:44 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - lowwriter 11:09 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| SPOILERS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL STORYLINE CREATED BY LERNER: The joust parallels the Ascot Gavotte scene in MY FAIR LADY, for one thing. For another, it turns the plot on its head: Guenevere has merrily teased the 3 knights into challenging Lance. Her purpose is to humble him. Fine, and we expect the joust to be exciting. By staging it as an observed and reported narrative, Lerner and Hart were able to attenuate the suspense leading to the killing of the 3rd knight. (I think it was Lionel). So, when his corpse is carried mournfully onstage, Gwen sees the consequences of her vain gesture. A kind of murder. So, then, when Lance kneels and brings the knght back to life (out of his, Lance’s purity), she must be undone. And her heart is undone. So too is Arthur undone, for seeing Lance’s embodiment of grace, and for seeing Guenever shattered. The way it’s been changed by Sorkin takes away all the gravity of it, takes the possibility of miracle away, deprives us of recognizing how and for what Guenevere has become enthralled. Lance is not just a hunk. He’s all that she and Arthir envisioned for their RoundTable. Sorkin grounds it in the prosaic. Miracles and purity were part of the Arthur stories. Holy Grail, anyone? And then, yes, of course we should see Arthur’s face and Jen’s face when Lance is knighted. What they feel and know about what has irreversibly happened to their heretofore inviolate devotion should be all we need to watch. Turns the thrones around, for heaven’s sake! I’m sorry to grouse so much, but this is all so disrespectful. Of the author(s), i.e., Lerner, Hart, Loewe, et al. (The staging of the other major narrative ellipse, the choral song GUENEVERE, with what seem to be rewrites, does work.) |
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| Posted by: melvotaw 05:59 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - lordofspeech 09:44 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| Thank you! I could not agree with you more. That change was the worst of all of them (besides not showing that Arthur and Guenevere DO fall in love early on). The event that causes Guenevere to see Lance in a new light and fall in love with him is IMPERATIVE to the story. Without it, the gravity of it all is lost. This is one of my favorite musicals of all time, and Sorkin just ruined the whole thing. I have just ordered a secondhand copy of the original Broadway script to reread it (I did the show many years ago). It was hard to get hold of a copy, but I'm looking forward to reminding myself of the differences since the film diverts considerably from the original script. |
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| Posted by: dramedy 11:41 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - lowwriter 11:09 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| Soo did the least projection of the three my night but Donica was performing sat night with strong voice. Maybe in front row the orch overpowers a bit more than where I sat and the actors might be projecting upwards toward the mezz than down below. | |
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| Posted by: gothamplaygoer 08:17 pm EDT 04/08/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - dramedy 11:41 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| The first few rows should definitely be avoided because the stage is very high. From these seats you are getting too much sound from the orchestra, which is under the stage, and too little sound from the singers. | |
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| Posted by: lowwriter 03:14 pm EDT 04/09/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - gothamplaygoer 08:17 pm EDT 04/08/23 | |
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| I have sat in the first row for all the past musicals at the Beaumont and have never had sound issues with a full orchestra before. I know someone who saw Camelo much further back and also found the sound lacking. | |
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| Posted by: melvotaw 06:00 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - dramedy 11:41 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| No. Most of the singers could be heard in the front row. For some reason, they had under-miked the leads, especially Phillipa and Mattias. | |
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| Posted by: peter3053 10:00 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - dramedy 11:41 am EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| From all this, it sounds as if they haven't a clue about what made "Camelot" hold the place it does in so many people's hearts. | |
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| Posted by: melvotaw 06:02 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Response. - peter3053 10:00 pm EDT 04/06/23 | |
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| Not the slightest clue. They should have spoken to a woman. In my mind, if I don't fall in love with both Arthur and Lance, something is wrong. I did fall in love with Arthur in this version, but only because I think Andrew was the only one who was allowed to bring vulnerability and warmth to his role. | |
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