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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 11:15 am EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - mikem 10:42 am EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| PHANTOM has plot holes you could drive a semi through. Laura in LA |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:07 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - showtunetrivia 11:15 am EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| Or a double-wide gondola | |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: bmc 11:54 am EDT 04/09/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - Ann 02:07 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| I saw PHANTOM up in Toronto, with Cris Groenendal(sp?) as the Phantom. He was wonderful. After that Fri eve perf., I went to back to back sat/sun Mats of SHOW BOAT{ the Prince production} | |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: Delvino 12:40 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - showtunetrivia 11:15 am EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| Agreed. We used to have whole threads devoted to the absence of narrative logic in the through-line, which, among other things, presumes an audience's full acceptance of -- and investment in -- the central players as a romantic triangle, even though nothing that unfolds truly supports the contention in understandable emotional terms. When I went back, 20 years after my initial viewing with the first and now legendary Crawford, I thought of it as a series of set pieces, tableaux very vivants, gorgeously staged. If I paused to suspend disbelief in actual plotting, let's just say: I found myself with questions. But no one cares. People adore the show almost independent of its libretto, and find its romantic patina helps forgive all. | |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 12:26 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - showtunetrivia 11:15 am EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| …starting with the fact that there’s a man supposedly living under the Paris Opera for years with supernatural powers… | |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: peter3053 04:28 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - Zelgo 12:26 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| Harold Prince, a stickler for logic of plotting, wisely contained all of the action of Phantom inside the theatrical world (or "workplace", as mentioned above); in that heightened world where feeling often trumps rationality, disbelief could be suspended like, well, like a ghostly chandelier. In the appalling sequel, Love Never Dies (or as I call it "Love Ever Dire"), the creators took the action out into the real world (before going to Coney Island) and every last thread of plausibility was unseamed. Now, having said that Prince was very strict on logic, I should mention, as the exception that proves the rule, the embarrassing breach in the middle of Act One of Sweeney Todd, where, in the original production, Todd and Lovett are on Tuesday ("Who said the week is out yet? It's only Tuesday.") and Anthony and Johanna are somehow simultaneously on Friday ("Tis Friday virtually Sunday..."). Todd kills Pirelli on Tuesday, Toby is below on Tuesday, the Judge and Beadle arrive from Friday and...... oh well, at least they fixed it by the tour ("Who said the week is out yet? It's only Friday!!" says Lovett in the taped version.) |
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| re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 09:44 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A re-visit to Phantom of the Opera: now that it's 2023, can Christine choose None of the Above? (spoilers, long) - peter3053 04:28 pm EDT 04/07/23 | |
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| I would say there at least two pretty major implausibilities in the plot of Sweeney Todd, but Sondheim said that the implausibilities are why he started the piece with the line "Attend the tale of Sweeney Todd." It's a tale, not meant to be taken literally. | |
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