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| re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread | |
| Posted by: oddone 12:02 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
| In reply to: re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread - ryhog 10:32 am EDT 04/12/23 | |
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| You’re probably right that I’m overestimating their deliberations. Fair. But I’m not the committee so I can only guess as to what their “sole discretion” is. Here’s the main clause from the rules: A play or musical that is determined by the Tony Awards Administration Committee (in its sole discretion) to be a “classic” or in the historical or popular repertoire shall not be eligible for an Award in the Best Play or Best Musical category… That “sole discretion” phrase is the wiggle room I had mentioned. I have no way of knowing what they will do. I also don’t have access to the producer’s petition, or to their registration. (Re new/revival vs acting categories - I understand these determinations come from different things. But we only have access to opening night credits, and that’s the only thing mentioned in the TAC’s press releases). But I do have access to the fact that a production is more or less the same as a somewhat recent Off Bway one. That suggests the producers would be positioning the show as a new play, and thus how it would be framed on any petition/registration. And I know no petition is needed. Basically, I’m using this kind of info as a proxy for info I don’t have. “Popular repertoire” is so vague as to be almost pointless. One other thing to point out - in Revival land, a recent NY production (borough of Manhattan) can make the Revival ineligible. It’s only a 3-year window, but it’s why the rights to perform many shows are just not available to companies in Manhattan. Even if no Broadway production is on the calendar. You’re probably going to say I’m trying to compare apples and oranges. I only bring it up to say that with Revivals, a recent production is a negative. But with New Plays, it’s not a problem at all. (And yes, I understand the ‘New Play or not’ question is decided first, and then the ‘eligible for Revival’ question is decided second). And yes, Atlantic’s production was over three years ago, so it doesn’t matter anyway. But to my mind, if I see there was a substantial NY production that is markedly similar to the Broadway production, of a play that was never on Broadway until now, that’s a good sign it will be in the New Play category. I don’t bother trying to parse if it’s in the popular repertoire or not, because that’s so fuzzy. I know it isn’t determinative and it’s possible the producers don’t even bother mentioning it. But especially in this case (it’s pretty much the exact same production as the one at the Atlantic), it is a much easier way to think about it than trying to figure out how many other productions there have been and whatnot. |
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| re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:43 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
| In reply to: re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread - oddone 12:02 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
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| Yes there is wiggle room in some elements and yes you can make guesses (with which I or others might disagree). I think I'll just leave it as that. One thing that it seems you might not be aware of is that you DO have access to (at least this part of) the registration: it is listed in ibdb.com. | |
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| re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread | |
| Posted by: oddone 12:57 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
| In reply to: re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread - ryhog 12:43 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
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| Thanks for ibdb.com. I've used it before but I was never clear where the info was coming from. If they are taking info from the show's registration, that's helpful to know. I checked Ohio State Murders on ibdb.com, and that is listed as "Play" and "Original." So I guess the producers registered it as a new play? Or was this just how ibdb decided to categorize it (since it's the first entry for that piece)? It sounds like you're saying that "Original" tag is a reflection of the show's registration? In any case, the Administration Committee deemed it a Revival. Which makes sense to me. It feels more "historical/popular repertoire." It was first done in 1991, even though it wasn't done in NY until 2007. And that was a much different production than this one. |
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| re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:26 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
| In reply to: re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread - oddone 12:57 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
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| ibdb is part of the league so the info is coming from the league which gets it off of the registration. Caveat is that one can change the registration details, up to a point. | |
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| re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread | |
| Posted by: oddone 01:49 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
| In reply to: re: There is a rule, and that rule doesn't really speak to most of what is being discussed in this thread - ryhog 01:26 pm EDT 04/12/23 | |
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| Good to know. I see the League's logo and association are there, but it's helpful to know the path for the information - where it comes from, etc. That's sort of hinted at with "official source" and "title page information," but it isn't spelled out explicitly. I also remember when ibdb looked a lot less professional than it does now. Which of course is not indicative of the accuracy of the information. |
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