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| 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 12:13 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:13 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Complete Oklahoma! recording on the way - Chromolume 10:58 pm EDT 05/23/23 | |
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| I've read that ''Boys and Girls Like You and Me'' was cut from ''Oklahoma!'' during the show's Boston tryout. (Or was it then ''Away We Go!''?) Anyway, ''Boys and Girls Like You and Me'' was recorded by Judy Garland and cut from the 1944 movie musical ''Meet Me in St. Louis.'' How did Rodgers & Hammerstein's cutout get into the MGM classic best-known for its songs by Hugh Martin and Ralph Blane? Below is a recording of Garland's rendition of ''Boys and Girls,'' however, Wikipedia says the cut film footage has been lost. |
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| Link | Judy Garland: 'Boys and Girls Like You and Me' from 'Meet Me in St. Louis' (Outtake) (2022 Remaster) |
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| re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 01:03 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:03 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| In reply to: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? - WaymanWong 12:13 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
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| It's not 100-percent certain, but it seems likely that "Boys and Girls Like You and Me" was cut either during the New Haven run or after the last New Haven performance and so it may not have been heard in Boston. In those days, sheet music was published before musicals even opened out of town. "Boys and Girls Like You and Me" was among the songs published. So MGM may have simply found it via the sheet music and bought the song for the movie. MGM owned the film rights to Green Grow the Lilacs, and although MGM didn't make the film version of Oklahoma!, it may be that the studio had first dibs and was looking into buying the film rights, even though Columbia actually invested in Oklahoma! and MGM did not. Of course, Columbia also didn't make the film version. Neither Tim Carter's book nor Max Wilk's book on Oklahoma! offers an explanation of how "Boys and Girls Like You and Me" almost came to be in Meet Me in St. Louis. |
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| re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? | |
| Posted by: lanky 09:40 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| In reply to: re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? - AlanScott 01:03 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
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| I think Hugh Fordin's book on the Freed Unit at M-G-M says something about why "Boys and Girls" was not used in "Meet Me in St. Louis." | |
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| re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 01:49 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:47 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| In reply to: re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? - AlanScott 01:03 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
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| Thanks, Alan. ... Plus, Frank Sinatra sang ''Boys and Girls'' in ''Take Me Out to the Ball Game'' (1949), but it got cut out of that MGM movie, too. It finally made its Broadway debut in the 1996 ''State Fair,'' and it was one of the 4 R&H songs in the show ruled Tony-eligible for Best Score. And some productions of ''Cinderella'' have incorporated this tune. This ''Boys and Girls Like You and Me'' really does ''go on and on.'' |
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| Link | 'State Fair': John Davidson & Kathryn Crosby sing 'Boys and Girls Like You and Me' (1996) |
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| re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? | |
| Posted by: bmc 08:30 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
| In reply to: re: 'Boys and Girls': How did it get from 'Oklahoma!' to 'St. Louis'? - WaymanWong 01:47 am EDT 05/24/23 | |
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| According to Hugh Fordin's history of MGM's Freed Unit, Arthur Freed had offered Hammerstein the job of Producer at MGM in the period where his shows were less than successful, so perhaps it was because of that connection. | |
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