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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:31 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - ryhog 07:28 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| I don’t quite understand what “karaoke” has to do with it. Karaoke is just pop music with the vocals taken out. I can understand the argument that we are in the era of electronic music and that can be tough to do live, but K-Pop lived in that idiom - was it a prerecorded show? | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:27 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Singapore/Fling 07:31 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| Both you and student rush are carrying on an argument sitting largely outside the reality of the issue here. (I commend to you my post below in response to theirs to you.) Writers (who negotiate individually rather than through a union, as I am sure you know) do not conventionally control things like this and I doubt the contract here is otherwise. Your "student" confounds their personal preferences with what is "required." But AFM is not as hardcore or non-negotiable as you seem to think. Notwithstanding the contract minimums they have been very amenable to negotiating appropriate reductions. And in this case you cannot really compare HLL and K-Pop. In HLL, the karaoke tracks are fully produced (as are all tracks on almost all recordings), not raw recordings and that is what would be expected. K-Pop, by contrast, is live music. The fact that it is electronic, or not, is irrelevant. When one attends a live music concert, one expects (with limited exceptions) live music that, like live theatre, is never exactly the same twice. As I said before, my guess is that this will be worked out but at a higher price to the production. |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: selmerboy 11:12 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - ryhog 09:27 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| Sorry, but your argument about live music vs recorded tracks is just silly. I do think that we agree that this is largely, perhaps solely, a financial decision on the part of the producers. I also agree that a compromise will probably be reached, but at an artistic cost to the production: if they had planned on having musicians to begin with - even a relatively small ensemble - it could have been executed smoothly and seamlessly by all of the professionals involved. As it stands, I’m afraid any last-minute adding on of players will end up being unsatisfying on many different levels. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:15 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - selmerboy 11:12 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| I do not understand why you would call it silly; it is a part of the artistic integrity of the show. That is not really open to debate but perhaps you can enlighten me on what makes that silly. I do not think there is an "artistic cost" because I would say you have it backwards. Again, that is not the issue here. The rest I pretty much agree with. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 10:22 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - ryhog 09:27 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| Unfortunately, a different poster took us down this road that authorial intent should somehow override union agreements, so we find ourselves discussing what is possible in live music. However this works out, if we find ourselves in a position where non-union musicians get paid a one-time fee for performing the score for a musical in one of the biggest union houses on Broadway, it will be a sad day. |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:10 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Singapore/Fling 10:22 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| This show will not go on without an agreement that the production can afford and that provides the union with agreed upon compensation. There is no precedent in the concept that recorded music and/or synths cannot be used and it is recognized in the collective bargaining agreement. | |
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