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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:23 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Michael_212 03:56 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| We readily accept a live orchestra, in most shows, as being outside of the "world of the play," providing accompaniment for the show but not being part of the characters' literal world. So I entirely disagree with your premise. A live orchestra could still function as the accompaniment for karaoke. Have you ever thought about where the accompaniment is for the Von Trapp kids singing "So Long Farewell" at the party? (Let alone the Landler that everyone is dancing to?) I mean, it's not a cappella. We accept there's something there, represented by the live orchestra. No reason why karaoke couldn't be done the same way. And I can think of at least one example where it's been done. In the song "I Chose Right" from Baby, Danny sings to his own accompaniment. He plays the chords for the verse on his portable mini-keyboard, and then he starts a tape recorder, which has the track for the refrain. But we don't hear it on tape - we hear the live orchestra playing as if it were what Danny had recorded. There are also numbers where the live orchestra becomes an enhanced version of what starts as, say, piano onstage. "Once You Lose Your Heart" from Me and My Girl and "Autumn" from Titanic are two good examples. We accept the orchestra joining in even though they are not literally part of the scene. So - nope, I don't buy it. |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 10:35 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Chromolume 10:23 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| We can go back at least as far as "Bill" in Show Boat for a song that starts with onstage piano accompaniment and then the orchestra joins in. Kern and Hammerstein repeated this two years later with "Why Was I Born?" in Sweet Adeline. And a much later example is "Unworthy of Your Love" in at least some productions of Assassins. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 10:55 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:52 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - AlanScott 10:35 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| Though "Unworthy" would begin with guitar, of course. As does "I'll Never Fall In Love Again" from Promises, Promises. "Everything Else" from Next To Normal also starts as solo piano, with the orchestra joining in later - though we're to understand the conceit that Natalie is playing by herself the whole time. And, one of the greatest examples, IMO - "The Piano Lesson" from The Music Man, where Amaryllis' exercise not only wonderfully becomes the melody for the mother/daughter argument, but is enhanced by orchestra as well - but of course, Amaryllis is "playing solo" the whole time. |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 03:12 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Chromolume 10:52 pm EDT 05/25/23 | |
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| And yet, with all these precedents, the authors still decided to write their show the way they felt was best. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 11:39 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:38 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Michael_212 03:12 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| I can only speak for myself. I worked on a tracked show recently - a show that the authors wrote that way because they felt it was best. It was a horrible experience. I won't do something like that again. Nor would I have any desire to see or support another show done that way. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 07:20 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - Michael_212 03:12 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Yes. Understanding that a live orchestra was required, thats the baseline. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: SCH 03:56 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - NewtonUK 07:20 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| It is not true that a live orchestra is required. The contract requires that musicians be employed and paid, not that they perform. There is no conflict between the artistic decision to use prerecorded tracks (which I think is a totally valid artistic choice for this show) and the requirement to hire and employ a minimum number of musicians. Whether or not that was budgeted for is another question, and one that the producers should have known to address ahead of time. | |
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| re: This is the artistic choice of the authors | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 05:20 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: This is the artistic choice of the authors - SCH 03:56 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| I agree with you totally. | |
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