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| Posted by: steveva 11:23 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: The Walter Kerr review - broadwaybacker 10:42 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| That's Walter Kerr alright! Thanks! I loved how he could write a mixed review and made it seem like a show that couldn't be missed! | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:57 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - steveva 11:23 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Both of these reviews, in the style of the critics or not, are incredibly and woefully general in their assessments - it's as if they both read the Wikipedia article and wrote the reviews based on that instead of actually seeing the show. Which I think essentially is what the AI program did. I'm not worried. |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
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| Posted by: Shutterbug 02:56 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - Chromolume 11:57 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| I find this AI technology a bit unsettling. Sure it’s a fun party trick and can be fascinating/entertaining as a novelty, but I do worry that it potentially starts us on a slippery slope towards inauthenticity, duplicity, fraud, and distrust. I mean, talk about “fake news.” Not everyone follows the same moral/ethical code, as we see most glaringly in the political sphere. Who knows how this AI technology could be used to manipulate, defame, influence, or undermine. It just gives me pause. |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 03:15 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - Shutterbug 02:56 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Yes - I do agree with that. What I find ineffective about these two "reviews" is the sense of generality that neither Atkinson nor Kerr would have settled for. To write something "in the style of" is easy enough, even for a computer - but those reviews sound too much like someone who had never really seen the show, but could figure out what might have been generally highlighted in a review. They don't pass the test to me at all. That said, yes, I do think there will be potential applications of AI that will be much better, where we would have a much harder time questioning authenticity. |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: huskyital 12:30 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - Chromolume 11:57 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| I'm a bit worried. Walter Kerr wrote some great books.In college I read The Decline of Pleasure . When he was the reviewer for the New York Times he had clout. Jesse wrote a rave for the Thanksgiving play but it had no effect on the grosses. | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:31 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - huskyital 12:30 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| He had clout when he wrote for the Herald Tribune and his first season at the Times. Then he switched to reviewing on Sundays and his clout seemed much less. Example: He loved Moonchildren, and it closed the weekend after his review appeared. Admittedly, Barnes liked Moonchildren a lot, too, and that doesn't seem to have helped much at the box office. You just can't make people see something that they don't want to see. Still, I think it's pretty clear that Kerr's clout lessened after he switched to Sundays. |
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| Posted by: FleetStreetBarber 03:20 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - huskyital 12:30 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| He also had plenty of clout when he reviewed for The New York Herald Tribune prior to his stint at the Times. | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: jbk 06:34 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - FleetStreetBarber 03:20 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Leaving AI aside for the moment, why hasn't there been a published collection of Walter Kerr's reviews? No one else was so astute about actors, so passionate an assessor of everything he saw on stage, so joyous when joy was called for, so wounding when he was left wanting, so verbally adept. I want a Kerr collection to re-read and add to my bookshelf next to Max Beerbohm and Kenneth Tynan. Walter Kerr provided the best chronicle ever of New York theater from the 60s to the 90s. And boy, was he fun to read! | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: comedywest 07:56 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - jbk 06:34 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| There is Pieces at Eight. | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:54 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - jbk 06:34 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| In 1970, Simon and Schuster published Thirty Plays Hath November, a collection of his writings on theatre. It's hardly complete, covering 1963-1968, but it's something. | |
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| re: The Walter Kerr review | |
| Posted by: jbk 07:00 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: The Walter Kerr review - AlanScott 06:54 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Thanks, Alan. | |
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