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| We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:25 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: Was Roundabout the first "non-profit" to produce Broadway productions? - aleck 09:21 am EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| The Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center and the APA-Phoenix both started producing on Broadway in the 1965-1966 season. The Tonys did not consider Repertory Theater productions eligible. After two seasons of allowing the APA-Phoenix productions, which played the Lyceum, to be eligible, the Tonys removed them from eligibility. When Papp took over at the Beaumont, he got the Tonys to consider Beaumont productions eligible. The season before that, the Phoenix, producing on its own, produced on Broadway, and those productions were considered eligible for the Tonys. But then we can go back to 1971-1972 to find NYSF productions on Broadway — Sticks and Bones, Two Gentlemen of Verona — that were also eligible for the Tonys, if we even consider eligibility for the Tonys to be a determinative factor here. But when the Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center produced two seasons before the Beaumont at the temporary downtown ANTA Washington Square (with a seating capacity of approximately 1,100), those were generally considered Broadway. It's a bit unclear whether the Tonys considered those productions eligible in 1963-1964 as none of the company's productions received any nominations, but the following season the company itself was nominated as best producer of a play for the company's Tartuffe. Circle in the Square first produced on Broadway in 1968-1969, before it had its own Broadway theatre, which started in 1972. That production of Circle in the Square's, Morning, Noon and Night, received two Tony nominations. The question of whether City Center productions, which did get nominated for Tonys, should be considered is at least somewhat complicated, including by the fact that it's not clear when City Center became a nonprofit. It may have always been one, but I'm not sure. I think nonprofit status for performing arts organizations may not have been an option when City Center started producing, but I'm not sure. Putting City Center to the side, we can go back to at least 1963-1964 with the first Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions. |
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| I think we can go back earlier | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:50 pm EDT 05/27/23 | |
| In reply to: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - AlanScott 05:25 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| To productions from the Federal Theatre Project of the WPA in the 1930s and to productions from ANTA in the late 1940s and early 1950s, although some of these may have been in an in-between area as far as Broadway and Off-Broadway are concerned, which brings up the question of when Off-Broadway officially existed in the sense of having separate contracts from Broadway. | |
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| re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:06 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - AlanScott 05:25 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| “Man of La Mancha” couldn’t get a theater in the theater district, so they took the ANTA in order to have a Broadway house (and they literally had to dig an underground tunnel to create a crossover), and then went on to play for four or five years there until NYU you tore it down. | |
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| re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:14 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - Singapore/Fling 07:06 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| And because of that there are still some sources that will say, incorrectly, that Man of La Mancha started Off-Broadway, even though it was eligible for the 1965-1966 Tonys (and won several). | |
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| re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:21 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - AlanScott 07:14 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| I remember Johnny Carson saying that Man of La Mancha wasn't really a Broadway production on The Tonight Show. His guest did try to make Carson understand that he was mistaken. | |
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| re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:32 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
| In reply to: re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - BroadwayTonyJ 08:21 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Carson’s confusion seems untenable. La Mancha played on Broadway, but it definitely wasn’t typical Broadway fare, and pulled much more on Off-Broadway and downtown theatrical influences than Broadway. Hair gets a lot of ink for being the counterculture experimental show that innovated modern musical, but Man of La Mancha was at least as important. | |
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| re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 04:38 am EDT 05/27/23 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:36 am EDT 05/27/23 | |
| In reply to: re: We can go back at least to the early Repertory Theater of Lincoln Center productions in 1963-1964 - Singapore/Fling 11:32 pm EDT 05/26/23 | |
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| Carson didn't understand that ANTA was a Broadway theater, primarily because of its location. There were/are a number of well known celebrities who (years ago mostly) made some incredibly ignorant remarks about Broadway shows, which showed their stunning lack of knowledge. Barbara Walters comes to mind, who stated on more than one occasion that the original production of Chicago was a notorious flop. And then there's Isabelle Stevenson! |
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