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| I've never seen a production that worked | |
| Posted by: aleck 06:42 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
| In reply to: What do people know about the "rework" of Pal Joey? - EvFoDr 04:46 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
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| But when asked what show of the past that I would most like to see, it would be Bob Fosse in Pal Joey at City Center. What a cast! For reasons I do not understand, that City Center production, which ran 15 performances, was considered a Broadway production, with Fosse nominated for a Tony. (It's listed as "Broadway" on IBDB.com.) | |
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| re: I've never seen a production that worked | |
| Posted by: henny 10:15 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
| In reply to: I've never seen a production that worked - aleck 06:42 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
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| A wise choice. I saw it. An even better choice is the 1961 production which is not listed on IBDB. On the New York Times Machine, there is an article by Louis Calta dated June 2, 1961, telling about the three-week extension of the show. After 62 years the night I first saw "Pal Joey" with Bob Fosse is one of my great memories. | |
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| re: I've never seen a production that worked | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:01 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
| In reply to: I've never seen a production that worked - aleck 06:42 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
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| A number of City Center productions received Tony nominations. The theatre certainly is big enough to be Broadway, and the shows at City Center were done on Broadway contracts. There is no good reason, as far I'm concerned, that ibdb lists only some rather than all City Center productions, especially since they list some New York City Opera productions produced there in the 1940s. | |
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| A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 05:58 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: I've never seen a production that worked - AlanScott 07:01 pm EDT 05/31/23 | |
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| ibdb lists two productions that were unquestionably Off-Broadway, just because they were nominated for Tonys (or at least that seems to be the reason). One is the Theatre de Lys Threepenny Opera (ibdb lists both its 1954 and 1955 incarnations) and Streamers. It may be that when the former was nominated there was no prohibition on awarding Off-Broadway shows. No one seems to know. As for the latter, Joe Papp somehow managed to get it declared eligible for the Tonys. | |
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| re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys | |
| Posted by: bowtie7 06:51 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
| In reply to: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys - AlanScott 05:58 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
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| Didn't the original Grease get Tony nominations while it was still playing at the Entermedia Theatre. The recent book on the show (grease Tell me more, tell me more--I loved the book) talks about them convincing the Tony's to allow them to be nominated (the cast was on a Broadway contract). The show moved to a regular Broadway theatre soon after. | |
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| re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:21 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys - bowtie7 06:51 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
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| The theatre was called the Eden then. While they may have had to persuade the Tonys, the situation was basically the same as with Man of La Mancha a few years earlier, which moved to the Eden for a couple of months not long before Grease. The Eden was a Broadway-sized house, although some productions cordoned off much of the house in order for it to qualify as Off-Broadway. And, yeah, the show was on Broadway contracts. You say that the book says that the actors were on Broadway contracts? Does it specifically say that musicians, stagehands, etc., were not on Broadway contracts or does it just not say anything about the other unions? I have been under the impression that everyone was paid under Broadway contracts. So I doubt there was much of a question, even if the Tonys had not originally planned to consider Grease eligible. They had a very good case that the show should be eligible. Best Plays, btw, lists it as Broadway from the opening at the Eden. |
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| re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys | |
| Posted by: bowtie7 09:21 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys - AlanScott 07:21 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
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| I always get the different names of that theatre confused. I don't think the book is specific about any of the other contracts, but I would assume they were all Broadway contracts. (I got the book as an e-book, which was great to take along to read on a cruise but not good to be able to shuffle though pages for something specific.) I had forgot about Man of La Mancha. | |
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| re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:25 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: A bit more on ibdb and the Tonys - bowtie7 09:21 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Yesterday, after posting, I looked to see what I could find in Variety about Grease and the Tonys. Variety simply said that the show was on Broadway contracts, so I imagine that means everyone, not just the actors. | |
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