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| Last Edit: Zelgo 08:57 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 08:51 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Ann 08:42 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Honestly, having gendered categories helps ramp up the drama during awards shows. Actors and actresses tend to be the biggest names so viewers tune in specifically to see them. In a world divided into male/female for millennia, demanding that everything suddenly become gender neutral is rather presumptuous--plus it's unclear what major problem is being solved by doing so. Don't fit into a category neatly? Choose one. We do it already when determining who should be nominated for Best Actor vs Best Supporting Actor, for example |
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| re: Gendered award categories (NPR) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:45 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Zelgo 08:51 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| The problem being solved is that not everyone fits into make/female identities, and they haven’t for millennia but are finally being given space to express that. It’s presumptuous to demand that we deny their existence because that’s how it’s been done in the past. |
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| re: Gendered award categories (NPR) | |
| Last Edit: Official_Press_Release 10:34 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: Ann 10:23 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Zelgo 08:51 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| What is the premise for separating male and female actors? Just because that's the way it's been done? You would have been fun in 1919. | |
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| Posted by: Ncassidine 09:10 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Zelgo 08:51 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| The problem with "choose one" is that you're putting the burden on nonbinary actors, and telling them they HAVE to compete as male or female, when they don't identify as either. | |
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| Posted by: downtownlw 11:03 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Ncassidine 09:10 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I don’t see a problem with giving two awards and having non-binary actors listed as such. As long as they don’t give both awards to two men or two women, it shouldn’t be a problem. Unlike sports, where a non-binary or trans athlete may have ( keyword “may”) a biological advantage over other athletes, the problem does not exist in the theatre. | |
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| Posted by: Thom915 05:52 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - downtownlw 11:03 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| If you have a rule to not give the award to two men or two women (or two non-binary persons) what is the difference in the way it is now ? What if the best performances were given by two men or two women or two non-binary persons? I am likely for a non gendered category I think though perhaps the Tonys like the Oscars and Emmys should wait a couple years and see how it plays out in those awards that already have non gendered categories. Another solution would be to have the role define the category such as Best performance as a female in a supporting role. But there you would automatically have the problem once non-binary roles start becoming written. (I do not consider Daphne to be a non-binary role since the character starts as a cis gendered male and it is unclear how they consider their gender by the end of the show. Lulu in Shucked is definitely a female role and damn does Alex Newell perform the hell out of it! I would give Newell both Tonys) | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:44 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Thom915 05:52 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Daphne is written as someone who has been expected to exist as a man and discovers that they are not actually a man after all… which means that Daphne was never a cis-man. | |
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| Posted by: Thom915 07:44 pm EDT 06/03/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Singapore/Fling 07:44 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I will grant you that is likely valid but it was never really clear to me the difference between how Daphne liked "acting" and how Daphne liked "being" I have known many trans women since the seventies and also many men who dressed as women but considered themselves to be men, probably cisgender men. (I think some have rethought that) and I was not 100% sure where Daphne fit in. Upon reflection, You are likely correct but there is a gut instinct I have that if the award category must be gendered, male seems the appropriate one for this. Probably a better argument for non gendered awards categories. | |
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| re: Gendered award categories (NPR) | |
| Posted by: downtownlw 07:32 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Gendered award categories (NPR) - Thom915 05:52 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I guess you’re right. There isn’t an easy solution to the problem. I totally agree with you about Alex Newell. | |
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