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| Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Last Edit: Michael_212 09:59 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 09:58 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: Producers: "Here Lies Love Does Not Believe in Artistic Gate-Keepers" - dbdbdb 12:15 pm EDT 06/01/23 | |
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| In cases where Broadway orchestras are hidden from the actors' view, is it required for the conductor to be visible on a monitor? I imagine this would break the illusion that the audience is at a club where people are performing karaoke, and perhaps would be difficult to accomplish with the show's multiple moving stages. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:12 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:10 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 09:58 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Monitor visibility is about giving musical cues to those on stage, not about the audience. I'm not privy to the details of 802s contracts, but I'd be shocked if there's any such "requirement" not dictated by the necessity of being able to synchronize vocal and instrumental entrances and tempos. (Also, I think the jig will be up that it's not really a karaoke club based on the venue and ticket prices. There will always be an element of willing suspension of disbelief.) |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 11:49 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - MockingbirdGirl 10:10 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Monitor visibility is about giving musical cues to those on stage, not about the audience. Yes, maybe I wasn't clear. My concern is that I recall the DJ having an opening introduction mentioning the popularity of karaoke in Filipino culture. If it's clear to the audience that the show is not really using karaoke it could make his speech seem disingenuous. I think it would be different in a traditional 4th wall setting, but the immersive aspect presents a different level of reality. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 01:58 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:57 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 11:49 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I don't know how the theatre is being set up for this show, but in most productions, I don't think the audience is all that aware of the monitors, unless of course they're specifically looking for them lol. I think it's much like other visible tech elements. There wouldn't be huge visible Broadway lighting plots in a karaoke bar either, but I assume those lights will be there. But as in most shows, I doubt the majority of the audience will think about that, specifically once the show is in progress. How often do you go to a show and get that distracted by the lighting instruments? Usually we get involved with the actors and the show itself and we don't think about them. If people demand their money back or grumble because there were conductor monitors (or other obvious theatrical tech elements) in what's supposed to be a "real" karaoke bar, I tend to think we've started to lose the point of THEATER as an art form. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 05:39 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Chromolume 01:57 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| This is a show performed like in an arena where much of the audience stands among moveable stages which are frequently being arranged into different formations throughout the floor. If monitors are required to be within the actors' sightlines, they would most likely also have to be moveable. It's not like you're sitting in a proscenium theatre and you'd have to look behind you to see the monitors. The standing audience members are frequently 360 degrees surrounding these moveable stages. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 04:30 pm EDT 06/03/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 05:39 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| This was one of the questions I had. How would you deal with the conductor. You would have to have stage hands moving monitors around or an array of screens throughout the space. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 06:12 pm EDT 06/03/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - whereismikeyfl 04:30 pm EDT 06/03/23 | |
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| I don't know if you've seen the show yet, but there are already stage hands moving the stages around and projections are already a major part of the storytelling. There's no spoken word book or recitative, so the projected headlines and photos serve as the book, moving the story along. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 12:47 am EDT 06/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 06:12 pm EDT 06/03/23 | |
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| All that expense for moving stages and what not. But no pay for musicians. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Michael_212 10:08 am EDT 06/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Chromolume 12:47 am EDT 06/04/23 | |
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| Surely, if the venue requires paying a certain number of musicians I agree they should be paid. That's on the producers. I just wouldn't want to see the authors have to rewrite their show and eliminate a major theme because of an oversight. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:01 pm EDT 06/04/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 10:08 am EDT 06/04/23 | |
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| Surely, if the venue requires paying a certain number of musicians I agree they should be paid. Thank you. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:45 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - Michael_212 05:39 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| All that, and no pay for the musicians. Hmm. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) | |
| Last Edit: pecansforall 10:42 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 10:39 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras - MockingbirdGirl 10:10 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| Just out of curiosity does anyone remember if the 2006 revival of A CHORUS LINE had any video monitors on the balcony rail for the cast to be able to see the conductor? I would imagine not as they would reflect in the onstage mirrors. Certainly the original production had no such video monitors. | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:45 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) - pecansforall 10:39 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I imagine that they did, or they had some sort of equivalent solution. The conductor was visible in the original production. Personally, I can't imagine doing A Chorus Line without some sort of contact between conductor and cast - and I've done a number of shows exactly that way in regional theatre. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 11:43 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) - Chromolume 10:45 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| The conductor was visible in the original production. Are you sure that the conductor was visible in the original production? I'm not trying to doubt but I've been sort of obsessed with the show since the seventies and I don't think it ever dawned on me that the conductor would have possibly been visible. |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:47 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) - pecansforall 11:43 am EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| I saw the production - I believe it was in the spring of 1980 (a school trip). I could see the conductor from where I was sitting. I specifically remember his cutoff at the end of the show (I was wondering how that would work in the theatre, as it's of course iconically a fadeout on the cast recording). | |
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| re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:23 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Question re: hidden orchestras (A CHORUS LINE) - Chromolume 01:47 pm EDT 06/02/23 | |
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| When it was at the Public, of course, the orchestra was backstage, and the conductor was not visible. And that was in pre-monitor days. Shows where the conductor was not visible to the actors managed to survive without monitors back in the past. There weren't that many back then, but there were some. Probably more Off-Broadway. | |
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