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| Norway's Jon Fosse wins Nobel Prize in Literature for his 'innovative plays and prose' | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 08:14 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:06 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Wikipedia calls Jon Fosse, 64, ''the most performed Norwegian playwright after Henrik Ibsen,'' and often has been referred to as ''the new Ibsen.'' I admit I don't know his work. A search of IBDB.com only turns up Bob Fosse, but not Jon Fosse. What is Jon Fosse's best-known play, and has it been done on Broadway or in NYC? Google reveals that the Rattlestick Playwrights Theatre did the U.S. premiere of Fosse's ''A Summer Day'' in 2012. And his ''I Am the Wind'' was done at 59E59 Theaters in 2014. Others? |
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| Link | Huffington Post: Norwegian Author Jon Fosse Wins Nobel Prize in Literature |
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| A Summer Day | |
| Posted by: Showtunegal 07:00 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: Norway's Jon Fosse wins Nobel Prize in Literature for his 'innovative plays and prose' - WaymanWong 08:06 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| It was at the Cherry Lane. I liked it though it was a bit bleak in outlook. So often when a writer wins the Nobel Prize I don't know their work at all, so I'm glad I've at least seen one of his plays. | |
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| "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 08:54 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 08:50 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: Norway's Jon Fosse wins Nobel Prize in Literature for his 'innovative plays and prose' - WaymanWong 08:06 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Good for Rattlestick for doing one of his plays. I'm sorry I missed it. Even though I usually have a different idea than the Nobel Prize of what great playwriting means (they tend to be more interested in literary and humanistic values than dramatic form), I really would like to see more productions of translations of contemporary plays by important writers from outside of the US and the UK. Another example of the provincialism of the nyc theater community. |
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| re: "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" | |
| Posted by: davei2000 09:42 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" - singleticket 08:50 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Pinter, Beckett, Dario Fo, Peter Handke...I'd say the Nobel has shown an interest in dramatic form. | |
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| re: "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" | |
| Posted by: singleticket 10:34 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" - davei2000 09:42 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| That’s true but it is a prize for “literature” and not specifically drama. They tend to give the award to playwrights who are also prose writers and/or poets. The first awards to playwrights were Bjornson (a master of dramatic form in my opinion) and Maeterlinck whose plays are beautiful but are really about resisting dramatic form. | |
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| American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 11:46 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 11:37 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: "You do Fosse, Fosse, Fosse!" - singleticket 10:34 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| On cursory glance, it looks like Eugene O'Neill is the only American writer who's primarily a playwright to win the Nobel Prize in Literature (1936). John Steinbeck, who won the Nobel in 1962, is best known for writing classic books, like ''The Grapes of Wrath'' and ''East of Eden.'' However, he did adapt his novella ''Of Mice and Men'' for the stage and had two other short-lived plays on Broadway: ''The Moon Is Down'' (1942) and ''Burning Bright'' (1950). No doubt it's competitive to win a Nobel, but worthy U.S. playwrights could've been Tennesse Williams, Arthur Miller and Edward Albee. (Have any been short-listed?) And if they were willing to give the Nobel in Literature to a songwriter, like Bob Dylan in 2016, it would've been great to see that honor go to Stephen Sondheim, too! |
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| Link | Wikipedia: List of Nobel Prize in Literature winners: 1901-2023 |
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| THere are only 3 winners for just Drama | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 01:33 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:29 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - WaymanWong 11:37 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| José Echegaray in 1904 Jacinto Benavente in 1922 Eugene O'Neill in 1936 Samuel Beckett in 1969 is for novel, drama and poetry Harold Pinter in 2005 for drama, screenplay and poetry There hasn't been any for only drama for almost a century. I think only poetry or only novel is the most awarded. But most are a combination of literature types. |
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| re: THere are only 3 winners for just Drama | |
| Posted by: davei2000 03:52 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: THere are only 3 winners for just Drama - dramedy 01:29 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| But the awards are not based on types. As far as I can tell, Echegaray's and Benavente's plays were all their significant published works. That's certainly true of O'Neill. If they published great novels like Beckett those would have been cited too. Dylan's Nobel page mentions his memoir. |
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| Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:05 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: THere are only 3 winners for just Drama - davei2000 03:52 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| They might have done some other stuff but these are probably mostly dramas which seems to be not as persuasive for Nobel committee. | |
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| re: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays | |
| Posted by: singleticket 06:59 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays - dramedy 04:05 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Williams was also a prose and poetry writer. I know people love his poetry but I love the prose works I’ve read. I particularly love his late career novel “Moise and the World of Reason”. | |
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| re: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays | |
| Last Edit: davei2000 04:52 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: davei2000 04:44 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays - dramedy 04:05 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Williams's short stories are well known and Miller published memoirs. But yes, if they'd won it would have been for the plays. I don't think Pinter won because of his poetry or Dylan because of his memoir. | |
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| re: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 07:42 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 07:39 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: Did Williams or Albee or miller do much outside of plays - davei2000 04:44 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| I tend to think Pinter finally passed the test for his Gulf War era poems and plays that were overt attacks on American militarism. Or perhaps that’s too cynical of me. In any event, oh how the wheel has turned with Sweden joining NATO. I’m sure it will turn again… No award for Caryl Churchill either. |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Posted by: comedywest 01:13 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - WaymanWong 11:37 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Yeah, I like Dylan, but he doesn't remotely compare to Sondheim lyrically. As Philip Roth said, when he was told that he was again passed over for the prize, "At least they didn't give it to Peter Paul and Mary." |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Posted by: bmc 12:21 pm EDT 10/07/23 | |
| In reply to: re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - comedywest 01:13 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| JUST AS PEARL BUCK WON MAINLY FOR for THE GOOD EARTH, DYLAN wson mainly-imo-for the song "Blowin in the wind.Sondheim's song are mucho better | |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Posted by: singleticket 07:06 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - comedywest 01:13 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Philip Roth was great at trolling the Nobel Prize. He said (and this is a terrible paraphrase) that he would have gotten the Nobel Prize if he had titled “Portnoy’s Complaint” as “Masturbation in the Age of Rapacious Capitalism”. | |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Last Edit: davei2000 12:10 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: davei2000 12:09 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - WaymanWong 11:37 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| I'd say Dylan shows that from year to year they define Literature however they want....Winston Churchill won for Literature! | |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Posted by: duckylittledictum 12:00 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - WaymanWong 11:37 am EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Nobel doesn't shortlist, publicly anyway. Another likely choice would have been Thornton Wilder. | |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Posted by: singleticket 07:00 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - duckylittledictum 12:00 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| Absolutely… a great playwright and prose writer. | |
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| re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel | |
| Last Edit: garyd 01:45 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| Posted by: garyd 01:34 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
| In reply to: re: American playwrights who have won the Nobel - duckylittledictum 12:00 pm EDT 10/05/23 | |
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| The nominations, as well as a short list, are made public. Or, at least, they used to be. According to O'Neill library records, 27 people were nominated in 1936 resulting in a short list of Freud,O'Neill and Paul Valery. Freud and Valery were rejected and the committee could not decide if there was enough evidence to award O'Neill so an award for literature was not made. Due to some sort of quirk in the by-laws the committee was allowed to revisit the 1936 short list and decided to give the award to O'Neill. Consequently he received the award in 1937 but it was for 1936. (phew). Anyway, he remains the only American playwright to received the Nobel Prize for Literature. Agree that Sondheim was deserving of the award. I am not sure if he was ever nominated. Edit: Just discovered that nominations, nominators, and short list can not be revealed for 50 years subsequent to award year. |
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