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| Posted by: ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It hasn’t opened yet. - JereNYC 03:07 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
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| I have never heard of a rule to that effect. It also bears noting that, not unlike the Tonys (at least to some extent), these 2 groups can adjust their rules quite easily and, logically, it is in their interests to do so. I don't see how the season has anything to do with it. There are several reasons they might not have been invited. One is that they are transferring (in spite of what seems like a weak economic motivation to do so) and another is that, if so, they may want to make some changes before they do.(or not.) Another is that they will not transfer and would rather not have a record of not winning this if they project that they would not. And still another is that there is a growing sentiment (and it would not surprise me if Mr. Kirdahy was a part of it) against these invitations. Because these groups (especially reduced by the members who are actually critics and have been invited as such) are not that large and they have empty seats, there is no reason they could not have invited these groups pre-opening if they wanted to save the later tickets and have plenty of seats now. |
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| re: It hasn’t opened yet. | |
| Posted by: oddone 04:59 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It hasn’t opened yet. - ryhog 03:49 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
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| Because these groups (especially reduced by the members who are actually critics and have been invited as such) are not that large and they have empty seats, there is no reason they could not have invited these groups pre-opening if they wanted to save the later tickets and have plenty of seats now. This is a point that is often overlooked. The voting bodies aren't that large (around 100 in each, I think, as compared to the Tony awards, which is probably 8 times that). There is also significant overlap with the Drama Desk and Outer Critics - there are a fair number of people who belong to both organizations, but obviously only need to be invited once. Not to mention, not every voter comes, especially to Off Broadway productions. Off Broadway shows will sometimes only give voters a single ticket, as opposed to two (the Public does this). And I've also seen where shows get very strict about tickets in terms of when you can come - if you can't make the specific dates, you're out of luck. Generally the invited dates are post-opening, but there is nothing saying they have to be. Not to mention, it is possible to just invite nominators, and not voters. St. Ann's Warehouse does this. (I've heard the rationale is "well we never win so why bother inviting voters" which seems sort of chicken and egg to me, but whatever.) And there are - what - a handful of nominators for each awards body? |
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| re: It hasn’t opened yet. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It hasn’t opened yet. - oddone 04:59 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
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| Just curious: if St A's invites nominators only, what is the point? I assume a show cannot (or would not, in any event) be nominated if voters were not invited at some point. | |
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| re: It hasn’t opened yet. | |
| Posted by: oddone 10:11 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
| In reply to: re: It hasn’t opened yet. - ryhog 08:09 pm EDT 10/10/23 | |
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| Shows can be nominated as long as the nominators are invited, and regardless of whether or not voters are invited. It isn't like the Tony Awards, where eligibility is contingent on the voters being given a chance to attend. St. Ann's shows often get nominated in various categories, but don't invite voters. (Some may well get invited as reviewers for specific publications, but they won't get invited "as voters.") Of course, if you don't invite the voters, you almost definitely won't WIN. (The chicken/egg thing - they presumably don't invite voters because they don't think they will win, but of course if you don't invite the voters you definitely won't win.) But as long as you invite the nominators, the show is deemed eligible. (I know this is the case with Drama Desk, and I assume it's similar with Outer Critics, although perhaps not.) |
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