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| Posted by: Chromolume 10:55 am EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - dreamawakening 10:54 am EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| Roadshow sounded like someone trying to sound like Sondheim. What about "It's In Your Hands Now?" |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: ilw 01:21 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - Chromolume 10:55 am EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| "It's in Your Hands Now" sounds like a Sondheim imitator who's been listening to Assassins, especially "Another National Anthem." | |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:44 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - ilw 01:21 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| Wow. "It's In Your Hands Now" was originally a cut song from Assassins called "Flag Song," reworked with new lyrics for Road Show. Some imitator, huh? |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: ilw 02:24 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - Chromolume 01:44 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| I didn't say it was a bad imitator. :) Despite the tone of your response, I appreciate your telling me that it was a trunk song. Much of Road Show sounds like Sondheim starting to run out of new ideas, so I'm not surprised to learn that he finally succumbed to reusing old material. What's your opinion of Road Show in general? Do you think it's up to the level of his earlier work? |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:41 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - ilw 02:24 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| Well, not quite. I do like much of the score, but ultimately I feel that Sondheim and Weidman just never quite found the most effective way to tell the story, try as they might. I also like some of Bounce better than some of Road Show. I do think some of the material is very good, but no, it's certainly never going to compare to the number of Sondheim's indisputably great musicals. Sorry for the tone of my response earlier. But it does speak to the idea that it can be hard to tell what's the real stuff and what perhaps isn't lol. (Even though of course he did write the whole thing.) |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: dreamawakening 12:29 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - Chromolume 10:55 am EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| Are there a couple lines in Roadshow that sound like Sondheim sure. | |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:19 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - dreamawakening 12:29 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| LOL. I mentioned that song because it's one of the very few times he reused a trunk song. So it better sound like Sondheim lol. | |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: peter3053 03:35 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - Chromolume 01:19 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| I really struggle with Mozart, too - always sounding like he wants to be Mozart. And that Beethoven - I keep hearing echoes of Beethoven in Beethoven. When will these guys learn to start sounding like someone else - but of course, they better not imitate anyone else! Sondheim is Sondheim, from first to last, and aren't we lucky! |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: ilw 04:48 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - peter3053 03:35 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| True, but one of things I love about Sondheim is how he explored new sounds and musical ideas when writing each show, unlike other musical theater composers whose range is much more limited. I think this became less true by the time of Road Show, which doesn't have as many new ideas as his earlier work. | |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: peter3053 05:16 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - ilw 04:48 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| You mean he got old? How dare he! No, I agree that, for me, Road Show lacks something - but I think it is the basic idea, not the score that arose from it; or rather, the idea couldn't quite generate the depth and the levity we associate with him. I think that the notion of making it like "Road to" movie (Hope and Crosby) from the start never quite matched the actual sordid nature of much of the material. Crosby and Hope at one level don't matter - they don't harm real people because the whole idea of their movies was that they were fantasy. But Willie Mizner comes across as borderline evil, and his brother comes across as peculiarly self-regarding too. Also, unlike the Hope and Crosby films, the two brothers don't go places together right through - they go to Alaska, then they take divergent paths, then encounter each other in Florida - and I think it's a strange structure, to tell parallel stories which don't grow closer, continuously, towards climax. In other words, I think it is the notion which led to the less than stellar score - (I think Bounce was more fun, though) - and yes, I know, it was Sondheim's notion, and actually began to stir him back in the 60s, when he was a lot younger. But I still listen to Bounce and Road Show and marvel. |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Posted by: stevemr 07:17 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - peter3053 05:16 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| " and I think it's a strange structure, to tell parallel stories which don't grow closer, continuously, towards climax" Didn't you mean to say, "Parallel lines who meet? |
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| re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 08:42 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 08:41 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
| In reply to: re: HERE WE ARE Tonight (Possible Spoiler) - stevemr 07:17 pm EDT 10/14/23 | |
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| It just struck me -- couldn't parallel lines meet if you raised or lowered one onto another? It's kind of doable if you think about it. Side by side by side by side... | |
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